Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

[JDNCh]

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

So it’s just a feeling you have that her office was vandalised because she was a woman but have no evidence of that.

And no evidence the vandal is non-white too.

Cool.

The man's skin obviously looks darker in the Guardian article but Middle-Eastern appearance if you wish.

He looks like a white dude but without his identity confirmed we don’t know.

What we do know is a pro-Gaza protestor of unknown ethnicity attacked a Labour MPs office leaving graffiti critical of Labour’s stance on the latest Israel / Palestine conflict.

That’s all we know for sure. So to insist it is about race and gender is….ok.

(I looked at the Guardian article and it is the same image but poorer quality.)

@SidhuVicious
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It is unfortunate that there has been a backlash but the blame should lie with the perpetrators rather than those that seek to highlight the problem.*

The blame should absolutely lie with the perpetrators but we should undertake research and action based on fact to ensure that violence, assaults and verbal against women decreases.

I just don't think that Reform, Musk and Trump have the answers to this. They just want to demonise refugees. They highlight the problem but they offer no real solutions.

But sexual assault is not "imported" . We have problem with this in the west anyway.

Those mass "groping" attacks are an import. if we already have a problem with sexual assaults in the west, why would we want more and worse brought in?

Why should the safety of women and girls in a given country be given such low priority?

Here are some stats on Sweden, for example:

"In 2018, Swedish Television investigative journalism show Uppdrag Granskning analysed the total of 843 district court cases from the five preceding years and found that 58% of all convicted of rape and attempted rape had a foreign background.[23][32] 40% were immigrants born in the Middle East and Africa, with young men from Afghanistan numbering 45 standing out as being the next most common country of birth after Sweden. When only analysing rape assault (Swedish: överfallsvåldtäkt) cases, that is cases where perpetrator and victim were not previously acquainted, 97 out of 129 (75%) were born outside Europe, with 40 percent of these having been in Sweden for a year or less."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Birthplace_of_perpetrators

JHound
So it’s just a feeling you have that her office was vandalised because she was a woman but have no evidence of that.

Not a feeling - I know that female MPs such as Stella Creasy, Shabana Mahmood, Rushanara Ali and Jess Philips were targeted by pro-Gaza supporters in the run-up to the general election;

Two Birmingham Labour MPs have spoken of the abuse and intimidation women have repeatedly experienced during the general election campaign.

Shabana Mahmood, who is the MP for Birmingham Ladywood, has also opened up about having abuse hurled at her in the street and masked men trying to frighten women who were in meetings talking about politics.

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2024-07-05/birmingham-mps-say-women-faced-abuse-throughout-general-election-campaign

Sounds similar to Gets in Orthodox Judaism.

@Hunglikeapolevaulter

None of that is evidence the Walthamstow MPs office was vandalised because she is a woman and is white.

It’s not even the same vandals. The fact an MP was abused in Birmingham does not mean an attack on a Labour office North London was driven by racism / misogyny.

I hope you don’t work for the police or legal system because your understanding of the word “evidence” is somewhat shaky.

But by look you can feel her office was attacked because she is white and because she is a woman.

I guess that’s why you choose to think an anti-racism protest is ironic.

It’s not custom for wives to buy themselves out of marriage. It’s actually the other way round. The husband has to pay the amount he promised to his wife upon marriage.

I’m not aware of the thread you speak of, but I hope someone referred the OP to the Islamic Council which is a charity that would help her dissolve the Islamic marriage without paying her husband any money.

theislamiccouncil.co.uk/

@@Charley50
That's a stark illustration.

That was an epic pie in the face! Farage will try and style it out because he doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of Goldfinger but you just know he’s on his third bottle of wine and 2nd pack of Marlboro Reds effing and blinding. How embarrassing!

JHound
None of that is evidence the Walthamstow MPs office was vandalised because she is a woman and is white

I didn't say I thought her office was vandalised because she is white.

JHound
It’s not even the same vandals

It's the same cause.

HRTFT but I understand how you feel. I think staying off social media as much as possible is the way to go and link in with community groups in your area.

@Charley50 I've just seen another scary stat. Apparently in 2024, "91.67% of the people imprisoned for rape in the Spanish region of Catalonia are foreign citizens despite only making up 17% of the region’s total population. "

From La Razón.

I genuinely used to call out people for "racism" for pointing this stuff out as well.

I think it actually works for Farage in so much as it 'proves' that Elon Musk can't 'buy' Farage/Reform.

I wouldn't be too surprised to learn this is just theatrics and they're colluding.

Would you be happier if Farage had changed his stance and was now supporting Robinson?

Agreed. Although to clarify, I've not at any point expressed support for any of the people you mention - in fact I don't think I've even typed any of those names thus far. When I first stated my view that it's sometimes the complacency of the left that drives people to the right, I did qualify that by saying that I didn't believe parties like Reform etc were the solution.

I doubt anybody would agree that thousands of women being assaulted is OK, yet the issue remains that authorities have done bugger all to really tackle the problem and for the most part the public aren't really pressuring them - it's more common to see people attacking those that try and highlight the problem.

Off the top of my head, we have the police's failure to act in the Rotherham case despite repeated reports. We have the subsequent threats against individuals that tried to raise awareness (e.g. being told they'd never work again in that sector if they didn't back off). And now the home office investigation has been declined. And the police previously went on record saying that they didn't act due to wanting to avoid causing racial tension.

Then we have the 1200 sexual assaults on that one NYE where the police again stated that the night went without much disturbance, before finally admitting they didn't want to fuel the immigration debate. And then pretty much an identical story in Stockholm when 40 teenage girls were sexually assaulted by a gang of asylum seekers at that music festival. The police publicly stated that the event went without any serious incident, before then stating exactly the same thing as the German police that they didn't want to cause racial issues. There are loads more examples of events like this that aren't as well known because people just don't seem interested to find out.

The end result is that these men get away with severely scarring thousands of women and people are too 'considerate' to say anything for fear of being seen as intolerant. I keep thinking of the gender debate, Cass review, etc, and how puberty blockers were banned for use in children. Would that have happened if people had backed down when told they were nasty, intolerant, transphobes and causing backlash against minorities and non-binary people?

@Charley50 one more, some stats from Germany this time regarding sexual offenses against children by nationality, with German nationals as baseline:

But in America you are more likely to be a victim of a violent crime than in Europe?

Should we believe that Americans inherently more deposed to violence?
Should we stop Americans living here?

It doesn’t work for Farage in the slightest. He’s been massively pied and humiliated. I don’t think it’s collusion at all. I simply don’t think Musk respects him. Farage was all over the tv backing Musk and having his photo taken like a stan. Musk made it known he doesn’t see Farage as an equal.

Musk is using Pick Up Artist (PUA) techniques. Slag your suitor off, they then get confused over what they did ‘wrong’ then they work overtime to win back your affections.

Watch Farage tone gradually soften on Tommy Robinson.

Musk has clocked Farage. His party/company only has 5 MPs in England. These are ‘loser’ numbers. His significance to American players is zilch. Reform are nothing to these people. He’s only got so much reach because certain sections of the media report on every fart he does.

Should we believe that Americans inherently more deposed to violence?
Should we stop Americans living here?

Tbf it's not easy for Americans to immigrate to the UK, and one of the requirements is a criminal background check.

I think there is perhaps a large element of the boy who cried wolf here. People don't want to be seen to 'agree' with the types of people that try and demonise certain demographics. But I do think there is a huge integration problem in Europe which is leading to some very bad things happening.

It's not the settled Muslims living in places like Birmingham, Manchester, who I work with literally every day that are the issue. It's the large numbers of young men arriving relatively recently.

It's not the settled Muslims living in places like Birmingham, Manchester, who I work with literally every day that are the issue. It's the large numbers of young men arriving relatively recently.

Yes same, in Scotland. Hard-working people whose children (men and women) all tend now to be succesful professionals who contribute to society, thanks to their parents hard work and sacrifice.

Their problems are more to do with guns and large areas of poverty, though. They aren't seeing events like 1200 women being sexually assaulted in a single evening. That's why there needs to be more nuance than just calling it all 'male violence'.