Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

[JDNCh]

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

Why does mass assault of Muslim women not count?

All your posts imply sexual assaults en masse are a Muslim problem and NOT a male problem that’s why. There is misogyny everywhere, more in some cultures than others. Blaming only Muslims and not admitting this is a male problem is disingenuous and deceitful.

Because I challenged you to find me recent examples of mass scale sexual assault by western men.

Or Gaza, or Ukraine. And countless other territories. There's war, conflict, power struggles going on every day and has been since time immemorial.

I think people are losing perspective because they're spending too much time getting sucked into the propaganda on SM - it's addictive if you allow it to take over your headspace, then the anxiety about things you have no control over eats away.

People need to feel a level of control and SM / news sites take away that control because it shines a light on the horrors and tragedies caused by mostly men humans that in former times would never have been visible, and about which we are powerless to do a single thing about.

I'm all for a degree of ignorance is bliss. That isn't heartless, it's healthy, and keeps perspective, which sadly most of the internet lacks nowadays, it's polarised, extreme and sensationalist for the clicks.

I don’t understand why you would be scared for the future of the UK by Elon Musk bringing attention to something like the Pakistani rape gangs but not for the future for the UK where the depraved actions of those rape gangs went largely uncommented on by ‘polite society’ for years and years.

But by ignoring the specifics and reducing it all to 'male violence' you remove the necessary nuance for a targeted approach.

A white alcoholic Arsenal fan beating up his partner after his team loses isn't a remotely similar profile to honour killings and FGM in Islamic communities. They need different approaches.

This is where some types of feminism hinder more than help. It sometimes feels like it's more focused on bashing men than actually trying to solve the problems. And when you're talking about online feminism I've no doubt that moaning on forums is the extent of it all for many.

Instead of mansplaining to women the problem, why don’t you talk to the men around you about this? Men have to call each other out when they are sexist. Become our allies instead of denying there is a problem with male culture. The root of the problem is male entitlement. You have shown that urself by believing you have the answer and we little women need it to be explained to us!

All your posts imply sexual assaults en masse are a Muslim problem and NOT a male problem.

Well, they can be both. But the fact that there is an Arabic phrase called 'taharrush gamea' which exactly describes the type of sexual assaults we're now seeing in Europe from middle eastern immigrants isn't really helping your argument.

It roughly translates as 'the rape game' or 'circle of hell'. It's a well established practice whereby a large group of men overwhelm and strip a woman and then sexually assault or rape her - usually for being dressed 'immodestly' or being out without a chaperone. Men on the outside generally try and distract people and deflect them away from what's happening in the middle, thus allowing the perpetrators to continue unchallenged in the middle of the 'hell circle'.

I first read about this in relation to the rape of the reporter Lara Logan about a decade ago - she was gang raped in public for about 30 mins while covering the Arab Spring in Egypt. The 1200 sexual assaults on NYE in Germany followed an almost identical format as did the various other documented ones in Europe (can find some listed on the wiki page for the NYE assaults).

Whatever you say, Western men are not congregating in massive groups and publicly gang raping women for 30 mins at a time. This is why I challenged anybody to find me just one example in light of the numerous examples we have of non-western men doing it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault_in_Egypt

My suggestion if you feel strongly about this is join a mainstream political party that you feel most sympathy with and that are active locally. You'll be able to connect with local people who feel similarly to you and they'll have socials and campaign events you can help out at if you want.

It will help with feeling so helpless.

Are you joking?
Western men gang rape women and they also work in groups or pairs to help distract very young women and their friends at public bars, and many other public places.

Lol, if I actually was a man what would that say about the fact that I'm the one calling out the issue whilst supposed 'feminists' try and shut me down and deflect the issue by trying to lump into into 'generic male violence'.

And if I was a man I'd probably struggle unless I was part of the specific type of community being discussed. Even then, it would carry a big personal risk in challenging cultural norms and being seen to sympathise with western perspectives. This is what gets lost when you lump all men together and assume it's all the same.

That's what puts me off so much modern feminism. It's all about shouting the loudest until the time to actually do sometimes comes. Then it's all "oh, well what can we do....the menz need to sort it".

Thankfully there are actually plenty of women working in law enforcement, the courts, etc, that are actually doing more than talking and passing the buck. Just as well they didn't shrug their shoulders like so many feminists do. I actually used to work in a job years ago which involved analysing evidence for the police and prosecution. I've helped put more than my fair share of nasty men away. I guess nobody told me that there's nothing us women can do.

Asking men to 'sort it out' is like telling the kid bullying you that you're going to leave it to them to fix their behaviour and stop hitting you.

And I'm not denying the issues with male culture. I'm the one pointing them out. There's different kinds of men.

Examples then?

Forget about 1200 assaults in one night. Can you find a recent example of western men sexually assaulting 40 young girls like that group of asylum seekers did at the festival in Stockholm? Just one solitary example of a public mass sexual assault.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rotherham-cover-up/

OP do you know what absolutely terrifies me. This. Have a read. Rapist grooming gangs targeting children & young women across the U.K .
So yes you are correct , if this continues rape gang culture continues the future is simply terrifying.

Gisele pelicot

Restrain immigration to the genuinely needed and highly skilled..Agree here.
But UK seems powerless or unwilling to implement this, as more migrants arrive daily- more than before the disaster that was Brexit.

Racism. Oooof. Ouch. I’ll get my coat, shall I?

I was raised in Muslim countries. I know what I’m talking about, it’s why I’ve chosen to live here.

Get back to me with examples of systemic cover ups of the rapes of (I think current estimates 250,000) quarter of a million ethnically different children in a western country where equality is enshrined in law and I’ll listen to you.

I know how women and girls are viewed in those cultures. I also know how those cultures view western girls.

Yout knee-jerk dog whistle response pretty much encapsulates the problem.

Whilst a horrifying case that's not remotely similar. She was raped over a nine year period.

A comparable example would be a throng of hundreds of western men sexually assaulting dozens/hundreds of women in the middle of the street in one night.

I'm talking about this kind of thing seen in the Middle East and now in Europe. Hundreds of men openly assaulting women in public.

I know how women and girls are viewed in those cultures. I also know how those cultures view western girls.

In the words of one of the Rotherham gang: “All white women are only good for one thing — for men like me to fuck and use like trash.”

@mollyfolk

I posted about bots on mumsnet recently myself https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5231496-to-ask-about-bots

The Guardian, I do not trust as they're known liars. It sounds a bit Russiagate which it has transpired didn't really happen. It was a conspiracy theory. This article is dated 2017 around this time. I don't trust this Edinburgh University professor either, whose job it is to churn this stuff out for the government to influence public opinion (and no doubt believes in gender pablum (or says she does to keep her job)).

Why is it so unfathomable that these mumsnet posters might be genuine people with sincere beliefs? I suppose I would find more comfort in believing those who post excessive liberal nonsense were actually not real, but I fear they might be. We don't need Russian troll farms. The UK is this divided. I think it is fascinating you sincerely believe that people are being paid to post on mumsnet. What do we do when people's perceptions of reality are so at odds with one another?

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-11/sara-sharif-failing-system-stuck-on-repeat-with-devastating-consequences

Also let's not forget little Sara Sharif & how she was failed.

Like ehat actually happens on a Friday night up the town?

So I just had a bit of a strange experience.
I thought it might help OP to feel less overwhelmed to remember that things like the summer riots had happened before. I was going to post something about Brick Lane, and quickly looked it up to make sure I was getting my facts right. I went to the Wikipaediea page for Brick Lane, and there isn't a mention of the National Front / anti-NF riots (which happened in 1978, I confirmed on https://www.fourcornersfilm.co.uk/blog/brick-lane-1978-the-turning-point).
Would it be fair to say there's something of a lacuna in British memory around these events?
Anyway, my original point, for @JDNCh, is that it's been worse in the past, and things will change.