Elon Musk and Racism

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Inspired by the other long running thread. I keep reading that he tweets and retweets racist comments. Can anyone link any or all of them please? I see tweets over illegal immigration, as opposed to immigration, but not racist?

So instead of opinions please can people post the actual words used or retweeted? Or anything he said in interviews, word for word?

Thanks!

If it wasn't deliberately done why do it twice, and why not condemn it after if it wasn't. Why make nazi puns on x like its some big fun joke! He did it so it has enough deniability so people can normalise it and dismiss it. As normalising this stuff helps with the normalisation of extremism. Someone told me on tik tok yesterday that the far right are not extreme, their just normal, I asked if they understand basic words like far as I'm assuming there isn't a further right ?! It's insane the level of Sane washing going on but not unexpected. Its intention and needed. Anyone who didn't think it was a nazi salute needs to start doing that 'move' as a hello to family and friends and see how they react, and let's be Frank u won't do it because everyone who had eyes seen it! And u can lie to yourself but ur not going to want to expose who u really are to everyone!

Calvin Robinson has just been defrocked for also pulling a Nazi salute. He has claimed it was all a typical British style joke and the fault lies with those who were offended by it.

So well done, Elon, making nazi salutes a hilarious thing to 'wind up the woke' about.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/calvin-robinson-priest-defrocked-salute-b2689335.html

One of my relatives was at Speaker's Corner in the 30s as Oswald Mosley - no social media then - gathered a loud crowd of supporters around him. One of them was a young Jewish man, a work colleague. Calvin Robinson, shame on you. You don't even have youthful ignorance as an excuse.

That’s how they start. “Oh it’s not a Nazi salute…it’s just a Muskrat “my heart belongs to you” gesture. And so it spreads. Robinson is a muppet anyway.

I did respond to the posters about the german party.

Did the german party give themselves the neo nazi tag or was it the big person in opposition who started that rumour?

You guys are prolific and talk a good game!

The AfD are using a slogan "Alice fur Deutschland". The excuse is that their candidate was called Alice, but it is conveniently sounds very like "Alles fur Deutschland" which is a banned Nazi slogan.

Oh right, i see now some links have been put in posts since I last posted. How rude you are, to say I keep repeating myself when I hadn't posted anything since they dumped their links. How rude, rude, rude. But I am not rude and so i will read their links and respond. Doubt very much they say what the posters say is being said, but hey.

@noblegiraffe and @OneLemonDog before I read your links could you please confirm that your links contain word for word quotes, rather than someone else's editorial subjective opinions on what they think he meant? That was my request. The latter is a waste of time.

From what I can gather, Musk supported their foreign policy speech, which was to do with engaging in effective diplomacy across the world. I haven't seen (yet) any quotes from him saying he "supports" "neo nazis". Have you? Word for word?

Think it is fairly clear what my links are about.

I wish Mumsnet showed when somebody is replying to another post, as it means things are taken out of context. I was replying to a comment about whether AfD were self proclaimed Neo Nazis. I can't comment on Musk as I don't know.

Ok, so your stance is that unless the AfD says, 'we are the modern (Neo)Nazi party' they can't be assessed as such?

If your stance that you can "assess" someone and pin your lable on them, then anyone could just as easily assess your posts and put a label on you and henceforth refer to you as that label. Is that okay with you? I don't think your assessing is going to be sophisticated enough to be sure that you are getting it right.

And bottom line - you can decide what you think about someone, but if what you say is baseless you could be looking at a libel action. I am talking in a generall sense, though, not about specifics or anyone on this thread or referred to on this thread.

I think it is pretty clear yes, but I think you might be missing the point here - as i said upthread, look at her foreign policy statements.

What's that got to do with telling Germans that they need to move on from the guilt of the Holocaust?

Yes, political parties and statements are open for assessment. That's the point of them. That's how people make decisions, become involved in alliances based on belief and vote.

If someone wanted to label me based on my public statements, writings and actions that would be fine (and perfectly legal). It's only in some weird robot universe that people don't make assessments.

Your assertion would be laughable if it wasn't so ridiculous.

There is a big difference between not feeling guilt for things our predecessors did in the 2nd ww, and not remembering the holocaust. If you are saying we should all remember the holocaust, I agree with you. But NB the CNN article goes on to say "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Musk, saying that he was “falsely smeared” amid a storm of international condemnation"

Your final link says "Officially, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party wants nothing to do with organized right-wing extremists and neo-Nazis" and "Time and again, the AfD and its youth wing have claimed that they want nothing to do with neo-Nazism and right-wing extremism. Both are taking legal action to try to prevent the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, the domestic intelligence agency responsible for monitoring extremism in Germany, from classifying them as "confirmed right-wing extremist" organizations" - so this is their official stance, yes? So if Musk is endorsing them he is doing so on the basis of their official stance, yes?

Your other links refer to the argument between Le Pen and Weidel over the secret meet which the above article refers to which was construed as too far right for Le Pen - they have now met and Weidel has explained that the meeting was outside AfD even if some AfD members were there. It seems that that argument is now over?

There were a lot of complaints that Biden was funding neo nazis, yes? Does this mean we should label him as a neo nazi?

There is a big difference between not feeling guilt for things our predecessors did in the 2nd ww, and not remembering the holocaust

Easier to move towards Nazism if you move on from the Holocaust though, right? Why do you think things like the Nazi salute (seen below on an AfD poster) are illegal in Germany?

Biden was an elected president carrying out a foreign policy that I might not have agreed with. That's an entirely different proposition from a private citizen buying a platform specifically to allow hate speech to flourish, funding an election, and promoting a political party in a different country with a message of nazi-adjacent ideology.

*I'm not sure you really understand the term Neo Nazi? I have heard plenty of people call Biden a war criminal or Genocide Joe, but not a Neo Nazi. And by your metric, he could sue someone for that (joking: he couldn't).

Oh my goodness. Yes, it looks like there are people alleging and trying to prove AfD are neo nazis, and AfD are saying they are not neo nazis and that the allegations are false and that they are taking legal action to stop the false allegations... oh wait, isn't that exactly what I said in my last post?

Why didn't you quote my entire paragraph? Because the last bit didn't suit your narrative?

I will have to come back to your anti communist links another time, too late now.

Look forward to chatting then.

Because 'We're not Nazis' is what they would obviously say.

Explaining away that poster is slightly more difficult though, right?

I am sorry but I haven't a clue what your post is about.

It's a response to this, which you wrote

There were a lot of complaints that Biden was funding neo nazis, yes? Does this mean we should label him as a neo nazi?

Absolutely barking. Don't waste your time attempting to engage, it's like howling at the moon.

Elon Musk's mission is global political instability. ATM (or in the last two years or so) nations have tended to the centre left. Now, with Musk's influence, the global trend is towards the right. This has been assisted by Russian troll-farms for the last ten years.