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Elon Musk and Racism

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 03/01/2025 20:36

Inspired by the other long running thread. I keep reading that he tweets and retweets racist comments. Can anyone link any or all of them please? I see tweets over illegal immigration, as opposed to immigration, but not racist?

So instead of opinions please can people post the actual words used or retweeted? Or anything he said in interviews, word for word?

Thanks!

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chicken2015 · 15/01/2025 20:41

AlisonDonut · 15/01/2025 19:51

I have no idea what your response was, I can't make head or tail of your argument apart from everything you don't like is far right.

Why don't you consider a government that is so obsessed with sterilising gay kids to be far right or utterly batshit? Instead of deflecting yourself, just explain what is not batshit about that policy.

The thread is about elon musk u know the guy who is buying his seat at the table of the US goverment and sticking his head in to uk politics when it doesn't belong and comes across racist and a pos. If u want to discus the culture wars of right wing politics go to the right board. Only u seem to be obsessed with commenting on gay kids and trans and everything that is not elon musk! Because u have no defence of an indefensible pos

chicken2015 · 15/01/2025 20:43

AlisonDonut · 15/01/2025 19:51

I have no idea what your response was, I can't make head or tail of your argument apart from everything you don't like is far right.

Why don't you consider a government that is so obsessed with sterilising gay kids to be far right or utterly batshit? Instead of deflecting yourself, just explain what is not batshit about that policy.

And my response was to say that demacrates r not even considered left wing , and absolutely not extreme left wing! When looking at world politics which I'm not surprised u didn't know due to the right wing propaganda we was just informing u that ur falling for propaganda

ToWhitToWhoo · 15/01/2025 21:05

PS As far as I'm aware, laws permitting or banning 'gender affirming treatments' for minors, which I assume is what you mean by 'sterilizing gay kids' are mainly up to the individual states, not the president or the federal government.

Feelingathomenow · 15/01/2025 22:11

chicken2015 · 15/01/2025 20:43

And my response was to say that demacrates r not even considered left wing , and absolutely not extreme left wing! When looking at world politics which I'm not surprised u didn't know due to the right wing propaganda we was just informing u that ur falling for propaganda

Everything is comparative though isn’t it? There’s many ordinary Americans who view the democrats as very left wing.

American politics is very divisive. There’s
a tendency to see the opposing side as very right or left wing, even though be European standards it’s all fairly right. I do think that although the democrats themselves aren’t as a whole extreme left they do subscribe to ideas that are also promoted by and subscribed to by extreme left thinkers.

FeegleFrenzy · 15/01/2025 22:20

AlisonDonut · 15/01/2025 19:32

Well, Biden's very first act in office was what exactly?

Rejoined the world health organisation?
extended eviction moratorium
froze student debt
rejoined the Paris climate accords
increased legal protection for the dreamer immigrants
halted construction of the Mexican wall
banned workplace discrimination against LGBT people

All great stuff I’m sure you’ll agree but I’m still not understanding what any of this has to do with a conversation about how racist Musk is.

chicken2015 · 15/01/2025 22:22

Feelingathomenow · 15/01/2025 22:11

Everything is comparative though isn’t it? There’s many ordinary Americans who view the democrats as very left wing.

American politics is very divisive. There’s
a tendency to see the opposing side as very right or left wing, even though be European standards it’s all fairly right. I do think that although the democrats themselves aren’t as a whole extreme left they do subscribe to ideas that are also promoted by and subscribed to by extreme left thinkers.

I agree with u surprisingly but that's not what the other poster was saying. They were calling kamala and biden extreme left, which is ridiculous!
And have u wondered why politics are so them vs us? Its literally made that way so people argue between themselves and the people in power just get rich and richer! They would rather culture wars and left vs right than actuallu do anything to help the countries! Unfortunately I don't always thing people realise that! I'm not a one party person. But I'm also not a foreign billionaire who has no business in out politics person either and its worrying that people are just completely normalised musk !

Tittat50 · 15/01/2025 22:22

AlisonDonut · 15/01/2025 18:05

I mean, yes indeed they are batshit crazy.

No idea why you find this 'wow' worthy.

I opted out of watching Harris. Having watched Biden, he was akin to an escapee from the local dementia ward. It's like the videos of Frankie Vallie's recent gigs; miming the words like a re animated corpse that has just been electrically charged back to life behind the stage.

So yes, as someone who finds Trump pretty scary, I absolutely understand why people would have moved that way.

I'm sick of people who sit somewhere across the middle being boxed into a far right position for highlighting some very concerning things.

Feelingathomenow · 15/01/2025 22:46

chicken2015 · 15/01/2025 22:22

I agree with u surprisingly but that's not what the other poster was saying. They were calling kamala and biden extreme left, which is ridiculous!
And have u wondered why politics are so them vs us? Its literally made that way so people argue between themselves and the people in power just get rich and richer! They would rather culture wars and left vs right than actuallu do anything to help the countries! Unfortunately I don't always thing people realise that! I'm not a one party person. But I'm also not a foreign billionaire who has no business in out politics person either and its worrying that people are just completely normalised musk !

The thing is, I don’t think Musk is being normalised, it’s extreme politics, black and white thinking that is being normalised.

There’s a great book by Dr Kevin Dutton called “Black and White Thinking” in which he says something along the lines of in an increasingly grey world we are being forced more and more into black and white thinking.

I think this is very true. Take Elon Musk, he has some views that some people think are bad. This makes quite a few of these people say everything he does is bad. Because people need to see him as an evil person in order to place him in their backhand white world.

The question here isn’t really is Musk good or bad? It’s why do we seek to categorise him as either? Why are we forgetting people aren’t just one thing or another? And indeed we are forgetting how subjective life is. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

I think we have stopped listening to and understanding the complicated backgrounds behind people’s thought processes.

we seem to crave predictability, categorisation, binary thinking. We seem to be at the zenith and nadir of a scientific world view. We are so busy asking how like humans can we make computers, we have failed to notice the drive towards seeing how like computers we can make humans.

By concentrating on individuals -each driven by their own history, traumas and successes, their own ambitions we are missing the bigger picture

Tittat50 · 15/01/2025 22:55

@Feelingathomenow this is so insightful and feels so true. I am always hovering around the middle but can easily be pulled one way then read more and come back to more centred again.

There is just not one comfortable place, political party or public persona that I can comfortably be all in with. What I really do notice and believe is a push to categorise at extreme ends and it happens on here way too much.

JessaWoo · 15/01/2025 23:46

AlisonDonut · 15/01/2025 11:22

Dies anyone remember the woke bro that was protesting against the anti abortion protesters who didn't like a woman who was anti abortion so decided to do a literal kick to her head? He jumped up, swirled round and smashed her in the head with his foot.

Yeah, be kind.

I had the feeling that you would jump on the word 'kind', and I wasn't disappointed. Even if it was used in a different context, you can't help yourself.

AlisonDonut · 16/01/2025 07:56

JessaWoo · 15/01/2025 23:46

I had the feeling that you would jump on the word 'kind', and I wasn't disappointed. Even if it was used in a different context, you can't help yourself.

I haven't given up the word 'kind' for January, I can use it as and when I like.

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 16/01/2025 09:46

PandoraSox · 07/01/2025 09:41

Question, why do you refer to Soros as S in your post? Anyway, here is the truth:

www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-george-soros-help-nazis-confiscate-jewish-property-1801194

It has taken me ages to reply to this sorry. I read the article linked and also watched the 1998 60Mins doc again. Basically the article isn't at all relevant to what I said, the article was fact checking an accusation that Soros had confiscated property, which I didn't say - I said that he was 14 - and I agree with the article that a 14 year old would not be culpable for the situation he was placed in, he was a victim and not in control of events around him. Soros says in the interview his "protector" took him with him to confiscate property and he says in the article that he thinks that the 1998 doc gave the wrong impression because it didn't say that Soros' family were just trying to survive, and to be fair the doc doesn't go into that detail, but the doc does, to be fair, include Soros' testimony that he was a spectator, as in, not in control, and I don't think it places any responsibility on Soros for what happened when he was 14.

So just to be clear I had not placed any responsiblity on Soros for confiscation of property either, what I was saying was that I didn't think Soros was Zionist, and the article doesn't comment on this at all. I have since posted to confirm that I had googled and Soros had funded an organisation which did not promote a religious state for Israel, and that he was generally considered not to be Zionist, according to what i can find. If anyone has better or more recent info, please say.

Because of this, I don't think any conspiracy theories are antisemetic as such unless they specifically say they are intending to be antisemetic. Not all members of WEF are Jewish or Zionist. However, if anyone wants to link anything showing this is wrong then please do. This isn't a question of "slurs" or "smears" it was a straightforward question about whether Soros (or the person who controls his estate now, for that matter) is Zionist.

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 16/01/2025 09:54

Following on from my post above clarifying the situation with the newsweek article, someone posted above a sarcastic reference to Soros being an unelected person of influence from behind the scenes which I didn't understand. From the look of it, not only the 1998 60MIn doc (which refers to funding to 3 different countries for example) but from many other sources since then, none contested, not to mention the WEF activities, it seems clear that Soros does have a huge amount of influence on global issues - this fact is not a conspiracy theory in itself I don't think? There appears to be immense influence - if you are in doubt watch the doc (I linked above) and the other documentaries and information since then. But obviously he isn't the only wealthy person to have such influence - people refer to the Koch brothers, and Elon Musk, and there are many many others.

I think that what Soros says in the 1998 doc about the need for regulation around what he was doing in the money markets and the crashing of economies and so on was right. There have been other issues in the banking world. For example, for every transaction where there was senior and junior debt (ie thousands per year) you had for many years (still have?) a situation where the debt in each agreement is then sold on, packaged, resold, subdebts created, meaning that due to the complexities this produced and the complexities of the derivatives software meant that it woudl be impossible to unravel the debt situation - the ramifications of this are clearly serious. I am not sure if this is still the case - I know that there were a lot of warnings about it.

Basically I think that the same situation (around difficulties in unravelling) applies to behind the scenes funding as well, sometimes - where there is funding by one group which has been funding by another which has been funded by another and by the time you have worked out what has gone on, the event has passed, or people think they are dealing with one group and in fact it turns out it is backed by an entirely different group, or there is a momentous push in relation to a certain social group which seems to come out of nowhere and changes are made to, say, education, prematurely, and then many months later it turns out that literally billions has been given to the interest group and this was why it happened so quickly, and so on. I am talking here in general terms, not about specifics. A lot of people think that the situation re media in relation to funding and interest groups has also got out of hand, and some way to absolutely ensure a degre of neutrality needs to be found. Group company structures show which company is owned by whom, like a family tree - this is also needed with funding interest groups, charities, media, everything, just as clearly and in an immediately accessible way.

So basically I am agreeing with Soros here about the concept of regulation, though he was only talking about the finance world, I think that the same concept would logically apply to any behind the scenes funding. Funding is fine, but transparency and easily accessible and clear information is needed at the time the funding is made, going right back to the root funder if there are trails of groups funding other groups who fund the interest group for example.

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 16/01/2025 10:04

Tittat50 · 15/01/2025 22:55

@Feelingathomenow this is so insightful and feels so true. I am always hovering around the middle but can easily be pulled one way then read more and come back to more centred again.

There is just not one comfortable place, political party or public persona that I can comfortably be all in with. What I really do notice and believe is a push to categorise at extreme ends and it happens on here way too much.

I think that the issue for many people in relation to the Democrats was not to do with them being far left, it was the fact that their policies - to do with the economy, homelessness, illegal immigration,and many more - had brought about disaster in US society, in the opinion of many.

Trump was also vocally anti armed conflict and many people who identify as right and left agreed with that.

People are also fed up of the slurring, trying to put down an opposing party with slurs, insults, nonsense good cop bad cop discussions, instead of analysis about what can be done to improve lives for normal people. This applies to discussions about non west governments - instead of making it about "good" vs "not good", analysis of specific policies which are successful or not successful would be better.

Arguing and labelling about left vs right is just a way to divide people nowadays, used as a red herring even.

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 16/01/2025 14:10

I kept referring to "doc" in my posts, and made lots of typo errors, sorry. The "doc" is the documentary made by 60 Minutes in 1998. It is in one of my posts above. "degre of neutrality" should read "degree of neutrality".

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:12

I have been thinking about the 1998 documentary about economies being crashed - some 4 or 5 or more were mentioned. Often, such economic collapse is accompanied by social chaos, civil unrest and a breakdown of law and order. It is pretty shocking - in this interview Soros calls himself amoral, or, at least, talks about this amoral side of himself. But more than that, if you think about the wider implications of what becomes possible - someone who has a lot of money and knows the money market inside out (to the extent humanly possible) could effectly take control of a country? That is, effectively acquire a country via the money markets?

If so, this means foreign policy could be controlled. Historians reported on "rumours" even 100 years ago that the PM was controlled by the foreign office so the idea of outside control has always been debated. Nowadays, we'd be talking about control over MI6 maybe. Ironic to think that if Blofeld had acquired the UK via the money markets and was set on a mission to destroy UK civilisation, James Bond would effectively become Blofeld's employee instead of being employed to get rid of Blofeld...!

Another thing which has played on my mind was the investment in Ukraine shown on the documentary. When did Soros stop investing in Ukraine?

Bit off topic on a thread about Elon Musk, sorry.

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Iwantitidontwantit · 28/01/2025 19:17

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:12

I have been thinking about the 1998 documentary about economies being crashed - some 4 or 5 or more were mentioned. Often, such economic collapse is accompanied by social chaos, civil unrest and a breakdown of law and order. It is pretty shocking - in this interview Soros calls himself amoral, or, at least, talks about this amoral side of himself. But more than that, if you think about the wider implications of what becomes possible - someone who has a lot of money and knows the money market inside out (to the extent humanly possible) could effectly take control of a country? That is, effectively acquire a country via the money markets?

If so, this means foreign policy could be controlled. Historians reported on "rumours" even 100 years ago that the PM was controlled by the foreign office so the idea of outside control has always been debated. Nowadays, we'd be talking about control over MI6 maybe. Ironic to think that if Blofeld had acquired the UK via the money markets and was set on a mission to destroy UK civilisation, James Bond would effectively become Blofeld's employee instead of being employed to get rid of Blofeld...!

Another thing which has played on my mind was the investment in Ukraine shown on the documentary. When did Soros stop investing in Ukraine?

Bit off topic on a thread about Elon Musk, sorry.

Do you think Elon's salute was at all worrying op?! Or is it cause he's such a nice non racist billionaire? 🤔

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:30

Iwantitidontwantit · 28/01/2025 19:17

Do you think Elon's salute was at all worrying op?! Or is it cause he's such a nice non racist billionaire? 🤔

Have you read any of my updates?

Re the salute, there was a lot of buzz initially but I think if you did a poll now most people would think it was not intended to be a nazi salute. I think that is what he said, too? You could start a new thread asking the question - so, like, a poll of MN to see what most people think?

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JHound · 28/01/2025 19:32

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:30

Have you read any of my updates?

Re the salute, there was a lot of buzz initially but I think if you did a poll now most people would think it was not intended to be a nazi salute. I think that is what he said, too? You could start a new thread asking the question - so, like, a poll of MN to see what most people think?

“Not intended to be a Nazi Salute”!!

LOL! Not even his fellow Nazis are falling for that one.

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:33

Also, what is your response to my last post before you posted? How dangerous are the money markets do you think?

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Iwantitidontwantit · 28/01/2025 19:41

I don't care what a poll says, it's as clear as day! Would you do that exact salute at work op?

Oh and as for racists tweets, his reply to this whole saga was ...

“Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down!”
“Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming,”

That's a normal reply right?!

I did read some of your updates yes. But my reply is to your op

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:45

Iwantitidontwantit · 28/01/2025 19:41

I don't care what a poll says, it's as clear as day! Would you do that exact salute at work op?

Oh and as for racists tweets, his reply to this whole saga was ...

“Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down!”
“Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming,”

That's a normal reply right?!

I did read some of your updates yes. But my reply is to your op

Honestly? I don't think what you quoted indicates that it was a nazi salute. I am not sure why you quoted all that.

And why don't you care what most people think? And what is your reply to my money markets question, do you think they are dangerous to democracy?

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OneLemonDog · 28/01/2025 19:46

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 28/01/2025 19:30

Have you read any of my updates?

Re the salute, there was a lot of buzz initially but I think if you did a poll now most people would think it was not intended to be a nazi salute. I think that is what he said, too? You could start a new thread asking the question - so, like, a poll of MN to see what most people think?

Surely anyone with half a brain can recognize that an apparent, repeated Nazi salute by a man who is openly sympathetic to neo nazi causes (including after the salute) was almost certainly intentionally giving a nazi salute?

I don't see how any honest-minded person, who is aware of Musk's politics, could maintain otherwise.

I mean, his German, Neo-Nazi supporters have been celebrating the image of his salute and, knowing that, Musk still spoke at the AfD's recent rally, celebrating their cause.

If you're claiming it wasn't deliberate, you are either lying or stupid beyond belief.

Feelingathomenow · 28/01/2025 19:56

OneLemonDog · 28/01/2025 19:46

Surely anyone with half a brain can recognize that an apparent, repeated Nazi salute by a man who is openly sympathetic to neo nazi causes (including after the salute) was almost certainly intentionally giving a nazi salute?

I don't see how any honest-minded person, who is aware of Musk's politics, could maintain otherwise.

I mean, his German, Neo-Nazi supporters have been celebrating the image of his salute and, knowing that, Musk still spoke at the AfD's recent rally, celebrating their cause.

If you're claiming it wasn't deliberate, you are either lying or stupid beyond belief.

Intelligent people appreciate nuance intelligent people understand that Musk’s politics are what Musk wants them to be. Intelligent people realise that frequently orchestrates divisive incidents in order to get people arguing, to divide them. He does this for the subsequent dopamine hit and to play into his divide and rule strategy. Musk is no more a Nazi than a communist.

Intelligent people aren’t taken in by Musk’s games. Was it a purposeful move - yes, it was meant to get people arguing about whether it was or wasn’t a Nazi Salute.

user44221 · 28/01/2025 20:17

Feelingathomenow · 28/01/2025 19:56

Intelligent people appreciate nuance intelligent people understand that Musk’s politics are what Musk wants them to be. Intelligent people realise that frequently orchestrates divisive incidents in order to get people arguing, to divide them. He does this for the subsequent dopamine hit and to play into his divide and rule strategy. Musk is no more a Nazi than a communist.

Intelligent people aren’t taken in by Musk’s games. Was it a purposeful move - yes, it was meant to get people arguing about whether it was or wasn’t a Nazi Salute.

What intelligent people understand, is that it doesn't matter what his politics or motivations are if he uses his money and platform to install authoritarian leaders.

HTH

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