To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

[Birdscratch]

And German politics and just focus on the President he’s already paid for and turning X into a toxic wasteland.

Or maybe support for Reform is a lot deeper and stronger than you thought and as they poll higher and higher more and more people feel happy saying they do….

Musk and Reform are saying two different things now. Neither of them are what the majority of British people want. When all’s said and done most people want a unicorn.

You clearly have zero sense of humour!!

And I just knew you'd bite

Populism is incredibly easy. You say whatever people want to hear and ignore pesky things like funding, budgets, feasibility, implementation, legal challenges etc etc

At least I have sub-GCSE understanding of statistical concepts and don't take mumsnet votes in AIBU seriously

The trying harder was in your Maths lessons

And 'your echo chamber' is such a tired cliche

Do better!!

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Well the proof of the pudding will be in the GE of 2029. We shall see.

How do you feel about his involvement in Germany and the AfD?

I don't like either of them, but I think Farage has far greater political nous than Musk. I dont like Farage but he is a very skilled politician; Musk has unfathomable resources but, with usernames removed, it'd be hard to distinguish his tweets from the average Twitter shitposter.

Farage knows that, in order for Reform to sustain its momentum, it needs to appeal to voters sympathetic to Tommy Robinson and more mainstream voters.

Musk seems to be banking on making Tommy Robinson the mainstream. I just don't see that happening.

Not that I want him to heed my advice, but I think Musk would do well to trust Farage's instincts. If this apparent spat escalates, it could sink Reform.

It is bring raised by someone in charge of a vile cesspit of a social media company. I do not listen to anyone like that on the subject of the abuse and exploitation of children.

Elon Musk can - as we say in this city - do one.

If this apparent spat escalates, it could sink Reform.

We can but hope.

Very pleased about it. I think AFD are Germanys very last hope.

Actually you do highlight things, everytime a high profile person mentions something it is highlighted. It is up to the listener or reader to take that opportunity that the speaker has created by bringing an issue into the public realm.

So, for example rather than using Musks comments as an excuse for some bizarre pile- on it would have been a better use of the opportunity to discuss;

1. what is actually still happening with the child rape gangs. What are the underlying issues that have created the opportunities to enable this and how they can be solved. Do any previous recommendations go far enough, will they solve the issues?
2. how we are relying on social media and how to extract ourselves from its grip
3. How to embrace nuanced thinking

There are many things that could be discussed. Instead people end up fighting over an individual- it’s basically celebrity culture. You see Ad hominem arguments more than any others in social media now. The over emphasis on STEM subjects in education, our constant interaction with technology is slowly stripping out all the things that make up what is being human.

Everyone needs to stop being so easily manipulated. Those arguing against Musk in such a binary way have responded as positively to Musks manipulation into binary thinking as anyone else.

Think about Musk, where he makes his money. Think about how binary thinking benefits his enterprises. This is his ultimate aim. How does he create confusion? By not adhering to that binary thinking himself. Can people really not see how he operates. He couldn’t give a shit if you love him or hate him, he gets off on people playing his game, he wins whether you love or hate him because you have fallen into binary thinking. Look at what he’s doing, look at the predictability in his unpredictability - it’s an easy tactic to emulate. It’s a game. Does he have ADHD? He’s a pattern spotter and manipulator- I’ve got adhd and can spot it a mile off. Best way to disorientate, disorientation is the best way to seize power. Even the court case you mention is an example of this.

Yup.

Its whats missing in the immigration debate.

Like it or not, the UK, like many other countries, has used ever-increasing immigration as a sticking plaster to address the problem of low birth rates.

If you want to turn off the immigration tap, then things like the state pension (as it currently is) become immediately unsustainable.

I dont think Reform, or anyone else in mainstream British politics, are being open and honest about the challenges in limiting immigration, and none of them seem to be proposing solutions.

Grievance based populism is an easy vote winner, but I have zero idea what Reform would do if they actually got into power. My best guess is that they'd do as the Tories do - rail against immigration when looking to win votes but otherwise allow it to carry on unchecked.

There is no way this government makes it to 2029.

I do want to turn off and in fact reverse immigration to this country and to Europe and I am prepared to pay the economic price to do so. I’m not saying these things with my eyes shut and I think most people are not.

Well, at least you are honest about your political views.

Yes, I thought that much.

You wish. It’s got a huge majority and its leader is the only person who can call an election.

How will it not? By what mechanism will it be ousted?

You could use Politicos Poll Of Polls if you’d like - I’m sure the number of people intending to vote reform next election (2027 latest) are the same who welcome a breath of fresh air in uk politics.

Maybe that petition that Musk pushed.........

Ha ha ha

Yes - I think it has probably impacted very positively on the perception of Farage. He’s stood up for what he thinks is right regardless of the cost

Is this Musk just not understanding British society, its relationship with class and the fact that Nigel Farage can potentially appeal to a far broader spectrum of people due to his posho, bon vivant persona? Whereas Tommy Robinson's core audience is racist yobs.