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To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

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Birdscratch · 03/01/2025 11:19

And German politics and just focus on the President he’s already paid for and turning X into a toxic wasteland.

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JHound · 03/01/2025 17:16

mommatoone · 03/01/2025 16:40

At no point in my post do I make reference to an enquiry being refused?
Nor ,am I influenced by a 'bored billionaire' I couldn't give a shit what he thinks tbh!
My post comes from personal experience and the complete and utter frustration ,that even all these years down the line , people are still waiting for a public enquiry. These children have been let down, pushed to the back.
Do you honestly think that if OC conducted their own enquiry, this would be transparent amd impartial? I don't. One of the their employees was revealed as being on of the main men involved in the scandal !

Apparently there has already been a national enquiry with the report issued in 2022.

Redcrayons · 03/01/2025 17:20

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 17:13

Oh dear.
We are certainly in for a bumpy ride arnt we with our government and the new USA administration.

People reckon the musk /Trump love in will only last 6 months so...

The fallout will be epic.

SerendipityJane · 03/01/2025 17:20

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 17:13

Oh dear.
We are certainly in for a bumpy ride arnt we with our government and the new USA administration.

People reckon the musk /Trump love in will only last 6 months so...

As long as that ?

Trump has zero intention of allowing any perception that he is anything other than the puppet master here. And Musk is already looking like a liability - it's entirely possible that congress won't be able to elect a speaker as some representatives are already anti-Musk.

Still, you bought it, you can break it.

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 17:24

I think there’s an issue across political spectrums in social media and the media generally. We need to step away from the right is wrong and the left is warm and fuzzy correct. Tying oneself to any (political). Ideology, unquestionably is dangerous. Social media wins through engagement. What better way than to manipulate people into sides who will react predictably. The more people are engaged the more advertising revenue they will make, the algorithms are specifically set to make you engage and get angry. The two tribes will emerge and off they go, getting angry and stressed and earning the shareholders cash.

We need to really start pushing back on the shit we are spoon fed, look at the state of “entertainment” look at the music being pushed, the programmes we are told are a “must watch”. Look at the reaction to anyone who shows any intellect.

People just don’t think critically anymore. I’m an admin/moderator on a number of Facebook groups- some have several thousand members so you can’t know every one on there. Yet you can see patterns emerging. Over the last few weeks across a number of groups new members or inactive ones started posting derogatory comments about a certain group whose members were potentially members of that Facebook group. Similar posts also hit wider social media.. Although careful not to be specific it was clear to those who saw the pattern across a number of platforms this was a coordinated attack with antisemitic undertones. Yet if you just saw one example of these posts you would think it was an innocent discussion. Largely the protagonists of this had links to the left and the Catholic Church.

You have Zuckerberg on the left Musk on the right. Neither hold great views. Zuckerberg allows misogyny to reign supreme and shuts done anyone who doesn’t agree with his questionable views. At least Musk doesn’t do this. It’s no different to the catholic v Protestant churches in the 16th century.

How we combat this is through educating ourselves, learn to listen to those with different views to your one. Learn to formulate decent debating skills based on knowledge (actual knowledge not shitty soundbites). Think critically, if you can’t agrue both sides of an argument- you don’t understand it well enough, you don’t have to believe in the alternative argument you just need to see that it’s a possibility for someone to logically believe. People need to stop buying into prepackaged morality and values and not be afraid to reject arguments that “their tribe” makes.

We need less politicised and more rounded education. We need to carefully think about what our kids are being taught.

We need to stop throwing around words like racism, sexism, transphobic etc to stop important debates. - chances are the people who start doing this, care little about the victims of the injustices these words actually represent.

Every single one of us is manipulated by social media/media we need to start educating ourselves and become wiser to how and when this is being done.

hedgehogsinthehedgerow · 03/01/2025 17:29

Trump has zero intention of allowing any perception that he is anything other than the puppet master here. And Musk is already looking like a liability - it's entirely possible that congress won't be able to elect a speaker as some representatives are already anti-Musk.

Yes it's difficult to see how two egomaniacs will get along in the longer term. I think things will change when Trump is in the White House and actually giving out the orders, will he want Elon in the room all the time?

SerendipityJane · 03/01/2025 17:31

hedgehogsinthehedgerow · 03/01/2025 17:29

Trump has zero intention of allowing any perception that he is anything other than the puppet master here. And Musk is already looking like a liability - it's entirely possible that congress won't be able to elect a speaker as some representatives are already anti-Musk.

Yes it's difficult to see how two egomaniacs will get along in the longer term. I think things will change when Trump is in the White House and actually giving out the orders, will he want Elon in the room all the time?

It's a very real possibility Trump may have to wait if Congress can't elect a speaker.

lljkk · 03/01/2025 17:31

Anyone thinking of the creepy lechy things Musk has tweeted at Tailor Swift etc.?

Opening a new X account means getting loads of random 'followers' which are actually pornography businesses, trying to drum up new custom if you follow them back. I don't know how many of them would flog you some kind of illegal sexual imagery, but I'm surprised that Musk doesn't openly class any and all porn as simple free speech, especially if all images were generated using AI and no humans involved, given he is a free speech absolutist, etc.

HoHum.

Journalist banned from X says ‘free speech advocate’ Musk is a hypocrite

Christo Grozev called his X ban "hypocritical" after Elon Musk branded Telegram founder Pavel Durov's arrest an attack on freedom of speech.

https://protos.com/journalist-banned-from-x-says-free-speech-advocate-musk-is-a-hypocrite/

AccountCreateUsername · 03/01/2025 17:34

You can have a debate without being racist, homophobic, misogynistic etc. I’ll call racism etc out where I see it and will continue to do so.

I do agree we need to vigilant regarding social media and tech companies. I’d like to see stronger legislation and regulation that protects users, including victims of child sexual exploitation. Nothing Musk or Zuckerberg do is for anything other than their own advantages. Make tech companies accountable for the harm they do.

wdit - replying to @Feelingathomenow

Fluffyholeysocks · 03/01/2025 17:42

We need better 'quality' candidates putting themselves forward for election in my opinion. Both here and in the US. It seems we have to hold our noses and choose the least worse option. I think Musk is voicing his opinions because we are in dire need of strong leadership - he sees Starmer as weak and has no time for the man.
While we have weak and ineffectual leaders, people like Musk will continue to be a thorn in their sides.

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/01/2025 17:45

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 13:22

Greater Manchester Police later apologised for 'failing to investigate the child sexual exploitation allegations more thoroughly between 2008 and 2010

How was Starmer as DPP responsible for the failings of GMP?

Starmer would have been across this entire investigation and how it was - or indeed wasn't! - being handled

Of course he wouldn't. The CPS make decisions on whether to prosecute. It is the job of the police to investigate, not the CPS/ DPP.

You have conveniently ignored my questions about the court papers you referred to. Ah well. I will leave you to rant away about Starmer.

Edited

And I'll leave you to care more about defending Starmer and being 'right' than about the families of gang-raped young girls getting the answers they've been crying out for about why our justice system totally failed them.

Honestly... arguing about who voted Labour... what Musk's 'motives' are... whether anyone drives a Tesla... On a thread relating to vile, sickening child abuse. Can you people actually hear yourselves!?

noblegiraffe · 03/01/2025 17:47

JHound · 03/01/2025 17:16

Apparently there has already been a national enquiry with the report issued in 2022.

Yes, and local inquiries too.

There was also a drama miniseries on the BBC in 2017 called Three Girls about the grooming scandal in Rotherham including how difficult it was to get the authorities to take action because of fear of racism and the perception of 'child prostitutes'. It was watched by millions. The court documents being circulated now are from a prosecution over a decade ago.

Why is Musk talking about it now? He has been after Starmer for months, probably because of people going to jail for tweeting threats and encouraging violence on twitter. And when he is talking about these grooming gangs is he talking about the perpetrators? The police? The victims? No, he is banging on about Starmer being CPP at the time and spreading disinformation about his role.

That's why Musk is going on about it. Not to 'raise awareness' but because he wants King Charles to dissolve Parliament and for there to be a general election where he can buy Reform control of the government and get through his 'free speech' agenda among other things.

Oh, and for the 'keks'. Because he is Kekius Maximus. Hmm

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/01/2025 17:49

30percent · 03/01/2025 13:34

Sure. But there was a very active Mumsnet thread just yesterday about the rape gangs in Oldham. Musk posts a lot of shit constantly bit weird how this thread follows the one about Oldham a day after musk raised awareness.

Dislike the man if you want I do too but if you see an issue with someone raising awareness about the rape gangs then you are part of the problem.

So foreigners like musk apparently aren't allowed to speak on UK politics because they aren't British but these same idiots don't want it mentioned how foreign men come here and rape our daughters.

Make it make sense a lot of people are starting to get pissed off

Dislike the man if you want I do too but if you see an issue with someone raising awareness about the rape gangs then you are part of the problem.

So foreigners like musk apparently aren't allowed to speak on UK politics because they aren't British but these same idiots don't want it mentioned how foreign men come here and rape our daughters.

THIS! With bells on. Honestly, this thread is mind-blowing...

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 17:50

No he's talking about it because jess p has said no inquiry.

SerendipityJane · 03/01/2025 17:54

Oh, and for the 'keks'. Because he is Kekius Maximus.

Latin for "very soiled undergarments", btw.

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 17:54

AccountCreateUsername · 03/01/2025 17:34

You can have a debate without being racist, homophobic, misogynistic etc. I’ll call racism etc out where I see it and will continue to do so.

I do agree we need to vigilant regarding social media and tech companies. I’d like to see stronger legislation and regulation that protects users, including victims of child sexual exploitation. Nothing Musk or Zuckerberg do is for anything other than their own advantages. Make tech companies accountable for the harm they do.

wdit - replying to @Feelingathomenow

Edited

There’s no particular issue in individuals saying “ racism” etc. the problem comes from when voices are shut down.

Who should be the arbiter of what is racist/sexists/transphobic. Each of these terms are fairly subjective and implies an intention. If I raise an issue about Transpeople in women’s sport I’m suddenly transphobic even though o have a legitimate point. Those on the opposing side are suddenly misogynistic. Who is right here?

Everything depends on one’s perspective. Yes it’s perfectly valid to put your perspective forward, but we need to learn to listen to and accept others views even where we don’t agree, the more we fight the more polarised and less likely to compromise we get.

We need to understand people have valid concerns on a whole range of issues and we seem to literally have magic words that will trigger algorithms to shut down debate.

BIossomtoes · 03/01/2025 17:55

he sees Starmer as weak and has no time for the man.

It’s none of his business. He doesn’t live here, pay tax here, have a vote here or have any familial links to this country. It’s nothing to do with him.

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 17:56

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/01/2025 17:45

And I'll leave you to care more about defending Starmer and being 'right' than about the families of gang-raped young girls getting the answers they've been crying out for about why our justice system totally failed them.

Honestly... arguing about who voted Labour... what Musk's 'motives' are... whether anyone drives a Tesla... On a thread relating to vile, sickening child abuse. Can you people actually hear yourselves!?

And I'll leave you to care more about defending Starmer and being 'right' than about the families of gang-raped young girls getting the answers they've been crying out for about why our justice system totally failed them

I was defending no-one. I was pointing out the fact that Starmer would have had no sway over the behaviour of the GMP or their investigations.

Trying to snear me and others on this thread doesn't hide the fact that you were trying to apportion blame where it couldn't be apportioned because you clearly didn't understand the role of the CPS/DPP.

randomchap · 03/01/2025 17:58

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 17:50

No he's talking about it because jess p has said no inquiry.

How about the government implement the findings from the 2022 inquiry.

https://www.iicsa.org.uk

We don't need another inquiry and more talk, we need action.

Badenoch was in government at the time it was released and they did nothing. Nothing at all.

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 17:59

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 17:50

No he's talking about it because jess p has said no inquiry.

No, she has said any Oldham inquiry should be conducted locally. There has already been a National inquiry.

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 18:03

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 17:59

No, she has said any Oldham inquiry should be conducted locally. There has already been a National inquiry.

Meant to add the letter.

To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?
noblegiraffe · 03/01/2025 18:06

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 17:50

No he's talking about it because jess p has said no inquiry.

So did the woman who did the last inquiry. She said stop doing inquiries and start taking action instead.

Who is Musk after? He's after Starmer. As ever.

To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?
wholettheturnipsburn · 03/01/2025 18:09

Fluffyholeysocks · 03/01/2025 17:42

We need better 'quality' candidates putting themselves forward for election in my opinion. Both here and in the US. It seems we have to hold our noses and choose the least worse option. I think Musk is voicing his opinions because we are in dire need of strong leadership - he sees Starmer as weak and has no time for the man.
While we have weak and ineffectual leaders, people like Musk will continue to be a thorn in their sides.

Why should he be a thorn in anyone's side

He can fuck off and mind his own business.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 03/01/2025 18:12

YANBU. He is a terrifying psychopath.

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/01/2025 18:15

BIossomtoes · 03/01/2025 13:43

Scary how people don’t know the difference between a police investigation and a decision to prosecute, isn’t it? The facts are here.

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

No, what's scary is people believing anything claiming to be 'fact' 🙄

I can't for the life of me work out what point you and others are trying to prove here!?

We are talking about the current British Prime Minister blocking calls for a national inquiry re: the mismanaged investigation into sickening child grooming gangs.

I'm frankly baffled as to why some are defending Starmer's stance while condemning Musk for shining a spotlight on the issue. Make it make sense!

randomchap · 03/01/2025 18:17

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/01/2025 18:15

No, what's scary is people believing anything claiming to be 'fact' 🙄

I can't for the life of me work out what point you and others are trying to prove here!?

We are talking about the current British Prime Minister blocking calls for a national inquiry re: the mismanaged investigation into sickening child grooming gangs.

I'm frankly baffled as to why some are defending Starmer's stance while condemning Musk for shining a spotlight on the issue. Make it make sense!

There has already been an inquiry

https://www.iicsa.org.uk

What needs to happen now is the recommendations to be implemented. Actual action, not talk.

Why do you want a second one?

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