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cardibach · 03/01/2025 13:00

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 12:43

Thanks for proving the point you know ZERO about this scandal. Go do your home work and learn the basic facts before commenting 🤔

Do you want to answer the question? Because IICSA investigated any and all CSA reports made. It was easy to contact them and non confrontational. It was also independent.

bombastix · 03/01/2025 13:00

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 12:59

Exactly. This will escalated further & further if they don't speak out . England is already humiliated enough on an international scale at the way this was handled. Hope Musk continues to pile on the pressure . Could King Charles dissolve government?

This is drivel. Do you understand anything about how the UK works?

thousandsofdreams · 03/01/2025 13:00

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 12:59

Exactly. This will escalated further & further if they don't speak out . England is already humiliated enough on an international scale at the way this was handled. Hope Musk continues to pile on the pressure . Could King Charles dissolve government?

It might not be a government issue. Or a Labour party issue.

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2025 13:01

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 12:48

To repeat if you know the facts you would know exactly what im talking about, so that proves you are to lazy and to uniformed to comment on this with any degree of accuracy.

Go do your home work and we can talk.

So in other words you don't know what areas need to be covered lol

User135644 · 03/01/2025 13:01

Ariadneefron · 03/01/2025 12:20

Thats because Reform is a fascist party.

So it's not the interfering foreign billionaire people have a problem with then. If he was a Tory it'd all be good.

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 13:01

HumanBurrito · 03/01/2025 12:48

There has been an investigation. Do people honestly think Starmer, who has devoted his entire career to furthering the cause of law and who kids himself, is sitting there going "mass rapes of vulnerable young women? meh can't be arsed to look into it"? or are the facts perhaps being slightly misrepresented at some point along the line by people with a vested interested in destabilising the UK politically?

So has the famous inquiry actually achieved anything? Or does the fact that it simply took place enough for everyone to just move on now?

How many prosecutions, sackings and resignations of officials involved have happened? How many are still doing the exact same job as they were when they allowed the rape and torture of thousands of girls?

We've just seen Paula Vennels (rightly) be excoriated in the press. What are the names of these councillors and police officers? Where is their personal public accountability?

MonkeyToHeaven · 03/01/2025 13:02

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 12:57

I think our democracy has long been undermined. We have long had Russian interference. I don’t really care about Musks motives. As long as it forces a further fuller investigation into the rape and abuse of children in our country

And the stirring up of racists?

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2025 13:02

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 12:59

Exactly. This will escalated further & further if they don't speak out . England is already humiliated enough on an international scale at the way this was handled. Hope Musk continues to pile on the pressure . Could King Charles dissolve government?

Is that a serious question?

thousandsofdreams · 03/01/2025 13:02

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 12:56

Yes but this thread is specifically about Elon Musk holding the government to account regarding this paedophile, rape ring..
@of course ALL predatory men should be stopped & feel the full force of the law.

Everyone involved in under age images on dark web should also be stopped, totally, completely - yet they get short sentences or courses.

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:02

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 12:59

Exactly. This will escalated further & further if they don't speak out . England is already humiliated enough on an international scale at the way this was handled. Hope Musk continues to pile on the pressure . Could King Charles dissolve government?

Overturning the results of a democratic election on the say so of a non British Neo-Nazi Billionnaire with an agenda would be far more embarrassing to the integrity of the UK state.

The King should not be dissolving any government without an election to support that.

Calling for more money to be spent on repeat national inquiries is one thing, calling for the overturn of democracy is quite something else.

What reason would there be to dissolve this government but not the prior one?

Babybaby2025 · 03/01/2025 13:03

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 13:00

So do you want a better and fuller investigation into the systemic rape and abuse of young girls in our country or not? If so any pressure being brought to bear on this is good. If Labour want to limited Musks influence, surely they would do what any right thinking person would any throw as much as they can behind anything that will stop the rape and abuse of children.

Of course I do, but someone who quite obviously doesn't give a shit about the welfare of young girls and actively praises predators shouldn't be the one doing it. Its complete hypocrisy. He's motivated by his hated of the left wing, not remotely motivated by his hatred of peados, as he clearly quite likes them.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:03

Sasskitty · 03/01/2025 12:59

Ironic isn’t it. That this is one of the main reasons the police didn’t raise it / investigate it in the first place. Being called racist or fear of being called racist.

Couldn’t make it up. Or perhaps we could.

Edited

The tide is turning though & many people are seeing it for exactly what is is & are no longer afraid to speak out.. low & behold govt want hate speech laws...

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JHound · 03/01/2025 13:04

Also why are people who apparently abhor “silencing debate” asking for anti-democratic measures?

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 13:04

Horserider5678 · 03/01/2025 12:53

You really think he is doing it in the interest of the girls? You really are truly deluded! Your delusions continue of course he can influence the outcome, he’s giving huge sums to reform so that they can peddle misinformation which the gullible like you believe! Did you read their manifesto at the last election? I suggest you do as if Reform were elected the US would become our paymasters! You do realise that Musk backed Biden in 2020? He switched to Trump and MAGA as he knew he could influence Trump! You do realise that Musk will actually be running the US!

Do you believe that girls as young as 11 were raped and abused by gangs of men, do you believe the woman who brought this to light when she says it’s still happening? Do you think we need to stop it.

I don’t give a shit about people’s motives when they pile on pressure for the rape and abuse of children to stop. It doesn’t matter, it just needs to stop.

User135644 · 03/01/2025 13:04

Over40Overdating · 03/01/2025 12:35

I really wish the left had the power to be responsible for as many things as are claimed despite a decade and a half of Tory rule which saw pandering to the extreme right wing to such an extent Brexit was voted through on the basis of utter fiction and misinformation and Nigel Farage was able to lead two? three parties? and finally get elected after decades of failure despite being a piss poor constituency politician?

We are in the shit not because the left love shutting down debate, letting criminals roam or any of the other facetious claims but because successive right leaning governments have become greedier and greedier when it comes to clinging on to power and giving up public wealth and rights to their mates.

If you want to get down to brass tacks about Rotherham and Oldham and Yorkshire SE gangs, nothing was done not because the police didn’t want to be seen as racists towards South Asian men but because the police and men in power don’t give a shit about women but especially don’t give a shit about poor or working class women and even less so about poor or working class women they see as race traitors.

Do you think Mr Billionaire Apartheid has lost a minute of sleep about the reasons why a poor working class girl from Rotherham might have been vulnerable to grooming by an older man from a different background?

It's the Yorkshire Ripper thing. Working class/vulnerable girls/young women are viewed as less than. Especially if they're deemed to be promiscuous or sex workers.

The police failed them. The establishment failed them.

thousandsofdreams · 03/01/2025 13:05

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 12:57

I think our democracy has long been undermined. We have long had Russian interference. I don’t really care about Musks motives. As long as it forces a further fuller investigation into the rape and abuse of children in our country

What Russian interference? I don't think UK security services allow anything which could lead to that.

Goldenbear · 03/01/2025 13:05

CuddlyDodoToy · 03/01/2025 12:59

Completely agreed.

I don't know if Elon Musk gives a shit or not about the poor girls who have been abused by these vile men and neither do the posters who claim to know he doesn't.

I couldn't give a shit what his motivation is, if Elon Musk can shame the government and British authorities into doing something to protect innocent girls, I think that is a good thing.

It's shocking how many contributors to this post - presumably most of whom are mothers and many are mothers of daughters - are more concerned about someone they don't like gaining political capital than the safety and protection of girls and young women.

It's a terrible reflection on the mindset of people who think they are so virtuous because they are left-wing.

And how do you undermining the democratic foundations of our country helps protect our children's future?

Gunnersforthecup · 03/01/2025 13:06

@Chainzreaction "Could King Charles dissolve the government?"

No. There is no good reason to do that.

Ariadneefron · 03/01/2025 13:06

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 12:25

Care to provide any evidence of this what so ever?

The following headings are actually from the definition of What is fascism. All of them fit Reform, and I've given you a few examples of how.

Racism and xenophobia.

Nationalism and national superiority.
-Using manufactured scare stories about race and religion to seed hatred and nostalgic fantasies about an imaginary previous better time to encourage both the race hate and the superiority complex, as well as constant waving of patriotic symbols.

Identifying scapegoats as a unifying cause.

Disdain for human rights.
-Constant attacks on the principles of human rights and the structures, eg courts, conventions, treaties, that maintain them. Attacks on the justice system (lefty human rights lawyers etc) in an attempt to undermine both public faith in the justice system and actual compliance with the system.

Undermining democracy

  • in the UK, repeatedly questioning election results that are, of course found to be completely legitimate. In 2015 Farage actually said the democratic process was 'dead ' due to ' ethnic changes in the way people are voting. ' combining at least two of my points.

Emphasising strength.L
-Law and order, strict if not cruel punishment. Military power.

Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.

Populism :appealing to ' ordinary people ' against a 'corrupt elite' using manufactured conspiracies to make the argument.

Also 1 in 10 Reform candidates were facook friends with a former organiser of the BNP and founder of fascist organisation New British union, a man whose online photos show him dressed as a Nazi. There is a direct line from the 1930s British Fascist Party to Reform via the National Front and BNP, which makes a mockery of all that ww2 patriotism and Spitfire stuff they're so keen on.

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 13:07

Babybaby2025 · 03/01/2025 13:03

Of course I do, but someone who quite obviously doesn't give a shit about the welfare of young girls and actively praises predators shouldn't be the one doing it. Its complete hypocrisy. He's motivated by his hated of the left wing, not remotely motivated by his hatred of peados, as he clearly quite likes them.

But he is doing it, when the people who claim to be for the people aren’t. Why isn’t the Labour Party prioritising the protection of children from rape and abuse? Why?

cardibach · 03/01/2025 13:07

thousandsofdreams · 03/01/2025 12:59

How ridiculous, there was nothing antisemetic in my post, I have Jewish heritage myself, your accusation is utterly disgraceful. Nothing conspiracy either, wealth and power can pull strings and have done for decades, this is well known and accepted, not a contentious point, definitely not in the arena of conspiracy.

I made no such accusation.
Claims of shadowy cabals running stuff are often antisemitic in nature. That’s just a fact. I didn’t suggest you were. At all.
Try reading things. For example the report of the IICSA

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:07

Babybaby2025 · 03/01/2025 13:03

Of course I do, but someone who quite obviously doesn't give a shit about the welfare of young girls and actively praises predators shouldn't be the one doing it. Its complete hypocrisy. He's motivated by his hated of the left wing, not remotely motivated by his hatred of peados, as he clearly quite likes them.

It doesn't matter who is doing it. What matters is that this is in the full spotlight internationally & govt are humiliated into immediate action for the sake of ALL us women & our daughters. This must never happen again.
Elon Musk is playing a blinder as is J.K Rowling. It's ridiculous we are depending on influential celebrities to protect us in our own country, doing the job our government should be doing but here we are.
Awareness is rising which is always a very good thing seeing as we cannot trust or rely on mainstream media.

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Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 13:07

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:03

The tide is turning though & many people are seeing it for exactly what is is & are no longer afraid to speak out.. low & behold govt want hate speech laws...

This is why you are getting so many rabid posters on here, arguing every single point they can think of.

The rats are squealing as their grasp of losing the ability to hide behind one simple word that contains and ism is being pushed back upon.

This is exactly why the rape gangs were so prevalent and bold in their actions. They knew they could utter one simple phrase and the police, government and authorities would back off.

HumanBurrito · 03/01/2025 13:07

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 13:01

So has the famous inquiry actually achieved anything? Or does the fact that it simply took place enough for everyone to just move on now?

How many prosecutions, sackings and resignations of officials involved have happened? How many are still doing the exact same job as they were when they allowed the rape and torture of thousands of girls?

We've just seen Paula Vennels (rightly) be excoriated in the press. What are the names of these councillors and police officers? Where is their personal public accountability?

Clearly findings from the 2022 inquiry need to be implemented. That seems pretty obvious.

PeppyGreenFinch · 03/01/2025 13:07

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 12:48

To repeat if you know the facts you would know exactly what im talking about, so that proves you are to lazy and to uniformed to comment on this with any degree of accuracy.

Go do your home work and we can talk.

This is hilariously embarrassing.

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