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JHound · 03/01/2025 12:25

User135644 · 03/01/2025 12:08

Funny how people didn't have a problem with Murdoch picking and choosing Prime Ministers and even Labour and Tony Blair begging for his approval.

Because Musk is backing Reform now they have a problem

If you think Murdoch and his media influence was never criticised then you are being wilfully deaf.

Wheresthebeach · 03/01/2025 12:25

AzurePanda · 03/01/2025 09:01

I’m no fan of Musk but am very grateful to him for shining a light on this vile story, particularly given that the pathetic Jess Phillips would appear to prefer to brush the whole thing under a carpet.

I’m also grateful to Musk for buying Twitter, before he did so saying a trans woman was man could earn you a life time ban.

We have a massive problem in this country with the treatment of victims of sex attacks. The girls, and their families were treated appallingly by the police. The more this is discussed and exposed the better.

JHound · 03/01/2025 12:26

MurderousFrieda · 03/01/2025 12:19

Elon Musk is giving the people of the UK a voice. The fact that he has to in this scenario is disgusting. The inquiry should have already taken place ffs.

Edited

An inquiry has already taken place.

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2025 12:26

Mrsmounjaro · 03/01/2025 12:23

Something else interesting

Which recent study is this based on?

cardibach · 03/01/2025 12:26

SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 12:07

How about C&P the relevant bit of the IIRC report that addresses the cultural element of these abuse gangs and recommendations on how police should be disciplined for their treatment of these girls?

Because it’s not a sound bite. It’s long. You may have to put a bit of reading effort in. Which won’t be a problem given your level of concern, surely?

Bromptotoo · 03/01/2025 12:26

ToWhitToWhoo · 03/01/2025 12:21

No. They were mostly in areas with Labour CITY councils (because they tended to be in deprived urban areas, which often vote for Labour City Councillors); but neither child protection nor policing is a city council function.

Child protection is usually a County Council responsibility (if you can use 'County Council' and 'responsibility' in the same sentence), And many areas with the gangs (e.g, where I live) had Tory County Councils though Labour City Councils.

The police are certainly not run by City Councils.

It's not party politics anyway; it's incompetence and irresponsibility and not giving a flying fuck about poor girls and those in the care (or don't-care) system. Here, many abusers were exposed after a victim was adopted by a middle class couple who were prepared to make a fuss, and were taken seriously, unlike poor kids.

Both Rochdale and Rotherham are unitary authorities so their responsibilities included Child Protection.

MojoMoon · 03/01/2025 12:27

MurderousFrieda · 03/01/2025 12:19

Elon Musk is giving the people of the UK a voice. The fact that he has to in this scenario is disgusting. The inquiry should have already taken place ffs.

Edited

There has been a public inquiry in 2022 into child sex abuse. The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse published 19 reports on 15 investigations covering a wide range of institutions

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/

Have you read it @MurderousFrieda ? Can you specify exactly which parts you object to and why you believe an additional inquiry is needed?

In addition, an independent inquiry specifically into Oldham was commissioned in 2022 by the Greater Manchester Combined Authority focusing on 2011 to 2014.

As you will undoubtedly know, this sort of inquiry is not a Statutory Public Inquiry but was run independently by child protection specialist Malcolm Newsam CBE and former senior police officer Gary Ridgway,

Have you read that @MurderousFrieda ? I'm sure we would all be interested in your detailed thoughts on the shortcomings of the inquiry.and how you would have run the Newsam inquiry better.

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 12:27

Gunnersforthecup · 03/01/2025 12:25

Musk is entitled to his opinion, in the same way that you or I have an opinion.

With the caveat that those of us who are citizens/ voters in the UK should have some say in how things are done here.

So no, he doesn't have "every right to step in".

No but he has every right to hilight it and bring it back in the media spotlight with a platform non of us have, irrevevent of your percived views on him.

Are you suggesting the raped,tortured and murdered girls would have said no thank you i dont need your help?

PeppyGreenFinch · 03/01/2025 12:27

dynamiccactus · 03/01/2025 12:10

Apparently the Tories are now calling for an inquiry, even though they've already done one and ignored its findings...

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories offer Musk a safe Tory seat in a future election.

BoudiccasAxeWound · 03/01/2025 12:27

tinydynamine · 03/01/2025 08:54

It's the job of the opposition parties to hold the government to account NOT eccentric foreign tycoons.

Exactly. It is a UK political issue alone. Therefore Musk should have negligible influence.

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2025 12:27

SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 12:22

Why just since 2014?

Thats the earliest official opposition speeches in Parliament i could find.... in answer to the poster who incorrectly claimed Labour were silent on this issue.

However, various local MPs have been highlighting the issues long before this & Starmer as DPP commissioned the CPS to act on the various Police reports, leading to the prosecutions of the vile people involved.

Greenkindness · 03/01/2025 12:28

So have we established that there has been an inquiry and the previous government who were in power at the time, were responsible for acting on that the time.

Elon Musk only cares about himself and extreme right wing agendas. He can say what he likes - he bought himself Twitter. But Jesus wept, he is not interested in the victims of gangs, or the best interests of most people in the UK. He is interested in himself and those who serve his interests the best. He would throw each one of us under an actual bus tomorrow if it suited him.

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2025 12:28

MurderousFrieda · 03/01/2025 12:19

Elon Musk is giving the people of the UK a voice. The fact that he has to in this scenario is disgusting. The inquiry should have already taken place ffs.

Edited

Did you miss this inquiry reported in 2022?

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/01/2025 12:28

MurderousFrieda · 03/01/2025 12:19

Elon Musk is giving the people of the UK a voice. The fact that he has to in this scenario is disgusting. The inquiry should have already taken place ffs.

Edited

THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN AN INQUIRY.
THE TORY GOVERNMENT CHOSE TO TAKE NO ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS

JHound · 03/01/2025 12:29

Hold on did I read correctly that the poisonous toad is claiming that 1 in 13 British girls is currently being raped by migrant gangs? Is that what he is claiming?

poetryandwine · 03/01/2025 12:29

Mrsmounjaro · 03/01/2025 12:23

Something else interesting

The statistics quoted by @Mrsmounjaro on p 26, which did not replicate in the quote, are fascinating. They show a great deal of CPS action against Muslim grooming gangs in Rochdale, Telford and Rotheram.

Were you aware of these statistics, @Chainzreaction ?

SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 12:29

MojoMoon · 03/01/2025 12:27

There has been a public inquiry in 2022 into child sex abuse. The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse published 19 reports on 15 investigations covering a wide range of institutions

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/

Have you read it @MurderousFrieda ? Can you specify exactly which parts you object to and why you believe an additional inquiry is needed?

In addition, an independent inquiry specifically into Oldham was commissioned in 2022 by the Greater Manchester Combined Authority focusing on 2011 to 2014.

As you will undoubtedly know, this sort of inquiry is not a Statutory Public Inquiry but was run independently by child protection specialist Malcolm Newsam CBE and former senior police officer Gary Ridgway,

Have you read that @MurderousFrieda ? I'm sure we would all be interested in your detailed thoughts on the shortcomings of the inquiry.and how you would have run the Newsam inquiry better.

Can you specify the bits outlining cultural influences (or evidence to the contrary)? Or the recommendations for prosecution of police in it?

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 12:30

BoudiccasAxeWound · 03/01/2025 12:27

Exactly. It is a UK political issue alone. Therefore Musk should have negligible influence.

If your successive goverments and current usless lot were not so scared of being called racist because the vitims were mainly white, he would not have to.

It appears alot of posters on this thread (not specifically you) are still pissed that non whites are being accused of rape and murder of JUST white girls.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 12:30

Elon is a complete twat and worryingly seems to be trying to become another Trump. Have you seen the stupid face he pulls these days? That silly jaw thing Trump does. He's loathesome and you just know he's going to suck up to Trump to see if he can somehow get the us constitution changed to allow none natural born US people to run for president (fat chance)

But. Are we really saying that people from one country should never campaign or put pressure on the government of another country when they see crimes apparently going unpunished and a system that appears to be downplaying or ignoring it?

Because I'm fairly sure that whenever I read about atrocities in other countries, (either unlawful or following a law deemed by the people in the UK to be unfair or unreasonable) I read a hell of a lot of comments about what can we do? we should contact this person and that person and do this, that and the other, contact our MPs, all that sort of thing.

I would argue that a government failing so many girls and women and doing bugger all when they were being horribly abused for so many years and covering it up and refusing to take meaningful action, again, for many years and having 'inquiries' that somehow never seem to do very much is an atrocity, no different to the many that people in the UK campaign so hard about to foreign governments about and demand our own government apply pressure to stop.

What's the difference here? Genuinely? Because I can't see it.

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2025 12:30

poetryandwine · 03/01/2025 12:29

The statistics quoted by @Mrsmounjaro on p 26, which did not replicate in the quote, are fascinating. They show a great deal of CPS action against Muslim grooming gangs in Rochdale, Telford and Rotheram.

Were you aware of these statistics, @Chainzreaction ?

She or he doesn't care about facts, its all about throwing enough mud at Labour and seeing what will stick.

HumanBurrito · 03/01/2025 12:31

former senior police officer Gary Ridgway

As in the same name as the serial killer of vulnerable young women? Wow, that is unfortunate 😬

thousandsofdreams · 03/01/2025 12:32

BananaNirvana · 03/01/2025 08:57

Of course, because Musk really cares and isn’t just using this as another way to promote his far right policies and get Farage elected.

This horror absolutely needs to be fully investigated but Musk should not be allowed to interfere in UK politics in the way he is doing - he is an incredibly dangerous man.

It might be that Elon Musk knows something most of us don't, because of who he is. So he knows why things aren't being investigated. For example, there may be a person of power behind the scenes trying to squash invesigation for some reason, which most of us don't know about it and EM is pushing the other way to provide a balance. I am not saying this is right, I might be talking nonsense, but I am guessing there will be a reason why EM has picked up on this particular horror, out of the many horrors we face in the world.

SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 12:32

BoudiccasAxeWound · 03/01/2025 12:27

Exactly. It is a UK political issue alone. Therefore Musk should have negligible influence.

I bet everyone saying this doesn’t think the same about political interference in Gaza/Israel

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 12:32

SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 12:29

Can you specify the bits outlining cultural influences (or evidence to the contrary)? Or the recommendations for prosecution of police in it?

You need to google the IOPC report for the full details on that bit.
HTH

HumanBurrito · 03/01/2025 12:33

JHound · 03/01/2025 12:29

Hold on did I read correctly that the poisonous toad is claiming that 1 in 13 British girls is currently being raped by migrant gangs? Is that what he is claiming?

yep, as per his tweet https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1874864996397846961

x.com

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1874864996397846961

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