Aibu to be very happy Elon Musk is putting so much pressure on Stamer over the grooming gang tragedies?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14245611/Elon-Musk-Labour-Keir-Starmer-grooming-inquiry.html

Labour seem to be very annoyed. Surely this is a very good thing ?

Elon Musk could not get British security clearance if his life depended on it.

This. When leaders fail to do their jobs they create a vacuum and it will be filled by people with less than good intentions and character. Elon Musk shouldn't be influencing our government but our government shouldn't be so weak.

You're clearly an expert, would you like to give a short analysis of the key points, to allow people to have a thorough and in-depth discussion?

I really wish the left had the power to be responsible for as many things as are claimed despite a decade and a half of Tory rule which saw pandering to the extreme right wing to such an extent Brexit was voted through on the basis of utter fiction and misinformation and Nigel Farage was able to lead two? three parties? and finally get elected after decades of failure despite being a piss poor constituency politician?

We are in the shit not because the left love shutting down debate, letting criminals roam or any of the other facetious claims but because successive right leaning governments have become greedier and greedier when it comes to clinging on to power and giving up public wealth and rights to their mates.

If you want to get down to brass tacks about Rotherham and Oldham and Yorkshire SE gangs, nothing was done not because the police didn’t want to be seen as racists towards South Asian men but because the police and men in power don’t give a shit about women but especially don’t give a shit about poor or working class women and even less so about poor or working class women they see as race traitors.

Do you think Mr Billionaire Apartheid has lost a minute of sleep about the reasons why a poor working class girl from Rotherham might have been vulnerable to grooming by an older man from a different background?

Indeed. When someone contacted IICSA to report abuse they were asked 4 questions. A yes to any one of them meant their details were forwarded for further investigation. They were (paraphrasing a bit as it’s from memory):
Were you under 18 when you were abused?
Was the abuser in a position of authority?
Did someone in authority know the abuse was happening?
Is your abuser still in a position to abuse children?

@JHound thank you for that quote.

That's very powerful isn't it " I've met with your party during your 12 years in power".

Absolutely disgraceful.

Whist I agree with much of what he is saying and not enough is being done! What right has he to tell Charles to dissolve the UK parliament! Can’t you see his ulterior motive? Trump can’t work with Starmer, Farage and Reform are both close to Trump and Musk. Musk has donated huge sums to Reform, he wants to interfere and ensure Farage is put in No. 10 so that the US can interfere with UK politics! You are aware Farage wants to disband the NHS and bring in a US health system, which will be run by US companies, so absolutely no benefit to the UK economy! The scales need to fall from people’s eyes!!

@Totallymessed , I already cut and pasted the plain English abbreviated version of the report. Is a four page document really too much effort?

It is pretty gormless for anyone to choose to spend their time contributing their views to internet threads on topics that they have absolutely no idea about (and where they have decided not to spend any time doing any actual research) and then for them to get a bit upset when people point out that their opinion is based on a serious misunderstanding of how something works.

It is allowed of course. Can't stop idiots having opinions based on a complete lack of understanding about how something works or stop them posting it on the Internet, particularly if they own a large social media network. But it is gormless.

He doesn't have a role to play in UK politics, does he? as someone who is not British and likely has other political motives, given his activities in the US.

I'm very happy to listen to Jk Rowling on this, and broadly agree with her. I don't think we need Musk giving his two pennyworth as well.

It really looks as though these girls are being made into a pretext for nefarious political tub-thumping by some really dodgy people who want to stump up ill feeling in various ways. I'd be very pleased to see more CSA offenders brought to justice, but I don't think Musk's palaver is going to be much practical use in that.

The government should play the ball not the person. If anyone raises an important point then the government should be able to be influenced by that point regardless who is raising it.

She isn't. She's calling the actions of Elon Musk a dog whistle. He doesn't give a flying fuck about any of those girls, he's trying to stir up hatred towards ethnic minorities to further his support of Reform UK Ltd. Because let's be clear, if they do end up being in power he will be one of the rich puppet masters.Now that is a terrifying thought.

IT. ALREADY. HAS.
He’s giving nobody a voice ffs.

1. It is nothing to do with him
2. Quite ironic given that he backed and is more than happy to be seen with Trump who is an adjudicated rapist and convicted fraudster
3. Musk is is a profoundly dangerous man with strong fascistic leanings. His "concern" about grooming gangs is performative and part of his plan to see a far right populisit regime probably led by Farage in power in the UK
4. X is a cess pit of misogyny and racism, if Musk is so worried about the safety of women and girls why is he happy to let this go unchecked?

@Totallymessed They have conveniently missed the point as they have ZERO clue about this all that 40 of the towns and cities that have been identified to hold these rape gangs are not mentioned in that most of the councils and people involved still hold positions of power to this day.

They still fail to realise that calling for a national inquiry will allow them to investigate the whole thing and join the dots and not allow those who failed them in the first place to investigate themselves and cover it up further.
But that’s to simple for them to understand.

people are unable to read as far as page two on this thread before blarting on about WE NEED AN INQUIRY, so clearly a four page report is asking a bit much

Indeed - I recall the 2019 Oldham council report:

Vulnerable children were left exposed to sexual exploitation in Oldham because of “serious failings” by the police and council, a damning independent review has found. The report found there were multiple missed opportunities to prevent abuse stretching back to 2005, including offences committed by a council welfare officer who was later convicted of 30 rapes.

The review also suggested senior police and council officers may have misled MPs on the Commons home affairs select committee when denying wrongdoing over the “profound sexual exploitation” of a 12-year-old girl.
It criticised Greater Manchester police (GMP) for a “less than candid” approach to MPs and said both agencies’ response to the victim’s concerns “feed a view” that they were “more concerned about covering up their failures than acknowledging the harm that had been done to a vulnerable young person”.

The report describes how a Rochdale grooming ringleader, Shabir Ahmed, worked for Oldham council as a welfare rights officer for 18 years until 2006 – about a year after he was accused of child sexual abuse. Ahmed is serving a 22-year jail term after being convicted in 2012 of 30 child rape charges and multiple other offences. GMP failed to notify Oldham council of a “serious allegation” made about Ahmed in 2005, meaning he was able to continue working with vulnerable adults and their children. If this had happened, the report said, it may have “potentially avoided the tragic abuse of other children”.

It’s like Labour are trying to make it worse. Keir Starmer and Jess Philips should have been everywhere on the media yesterday showing they are taking this seriously and setting the record straight if Musk has been incorrect on anything. As it is, they were silent and invisible.

I haven’t tried to read any of the details but I accidentally saw two of the most depraved examples and I can’t get them out of my head. People are angry, these disgusting crimes were ignored and we’ve been misled for decades about the seriousness. That was a deliberate choice. Mainstream political parties need to read the room or we will end up with a powerful Reform block at the next election.

These poor girls were used by men for their own selfish ends and continue to be used by different men for different selfish reasons.
Musk et al are no saviours of anyine

Elon Musk is not a politician in any country. He should keep out of British politics. Dangerous man.

@thousandsofdreams good god. If you are real, I have some magic beans to sell you. I’m not saying they’ll do anything and I might be talking nonsense but I’ve heard some beans are magic and do amazing things. I have zero proof for any of this of course but still thought I’d share because I get to feel important by saying ridiculous things that have zero basis in reality.

Musk appears to think he got the UK as an add-in to part of the job lot when buying the USA and it's full complement of non-thinkers. Don't make it easier for him. If he's making you happy, you should seek help. Promptly.

@lifeonmars100 we all know Elon has gone a little....

But fascist? Apparently he was devoted democratic until fairly recently.

So do you think that he should stay silent and not use his platform to raise the profile of raped and murdered young girls?

There was an inquiry. The Tory Party did not implement any of the recommendations.

The issue of migration and the ethnicity of the offenders isn’t going to be solved by an inquiry. So pot stirring imo