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SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 11:03

As I understand it, the men involved are now, rightly , serving long sentences.

I haven’t seen a single report about the policemen involved in turning these girls over to rapists and torturers serving long sentences. Please can you link to this?

Greenkindness · 03/01/2025 11:04

Hmm, why not say something a year ago, or two years ago - can’t think why.

Of course it matters but I do think we all need to be aware of Musk’s agenda. He’s dangerous. He is campaigning hard for right-wing extremist groups.

I mean, he could use his platform to campaign for the rest of those kidnapped girls in Nigeria (kidnapped 10 years ago) by Boko Haram. Must have missed that.

It’s horrific what happened and the girls were massively badly badly let down by all parties.

mrschocolatte · 03/01/2025 11:04

Betchyaby · 03/01/2025 10:57

At least you acknowledge cancel culture is insidious. That is something.

Nope that is not what I was doing.

ElBandito · 03/01/2025 11:05

@HagathaChristi which is why I raise the point about allowing funding from non UK citizens.

There has always been questions around foreign interference. Should our newspapers be owned by non-Uk companies, for example, used to come up continuously.

The difference here is that Musk and X are completely outside our control and therefore he can say what he wants and get away with it. I've looked at his comments today and I agree that they are really incendiary. Very few are outright lies though, he's quite clever like that, sadly.

Over40Overdating · 03/01/2025 11:05

You are happy that a man who essentially bought a US election is now trying to pressure the U.K. head of state to dissolve a democratically elected U.K. government @Chainzreaction ?

Are you also supportive of his documented parental alienation of his children from their mother? Of how he speaks about his trans child? Of his insistence that women should be pressured into having more children to increase the WHITE birth rate? Or how his mother advocates for poor people to have more children so his companies can have cheap labour?

Yeah, he cares about children and women alright. If the children in Oldham had been groomed and abused by white men, he would not give one shiny shit about this issue. He cares about using racism as a political football to gain ground with the hard of thinking who look no further than their own prejudices.

For what it’s worth I think the response to the Oldham issue has been disgusting - from the current and previous governments. But this ketamine addled, misogynist megalomaniac is not a hero.

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2025 11:05

TheBlackSheepbaaaa · 03/01/2025 11:02

The rape of children by so-called grooming gangs has been ( and still is ) a huge issue in my home town.
Our local MP campaigned for a Rotherham style enquiry in to it but our Labour run council blocked it.

Direct your MP to this report

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report.html

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 11:06

JHound · 03/01/2025 10:56

Apartheid Clyde is not putting pressure on Starmer because he gives a f..k about the grooming gangs. If he was he would have spoke up when the previous government declined the call for a national enquiry.

He is trash and I cannot wait for him to disappear from the public eye.

ETA: sorry, I realised after posting you were talking about Musk not Starmer! Will leave my post up though as it is informative.

If he was he would have spoke up when the previous government declined the call for a national enquiry

There was a national inquiry. This was the previous government's response to its recommendations:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/child-sexual-exploitation-by-organised-networks-report-government-response/child-sexual-exploitation-by-organised-networks-report-by-the-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-abuse-iicsa-government-response-accessible-ver

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 11:06

TheBlackSheepbaaaa · 03/01/2025 11:02

The rape of children by so-called grooming gangs has been ( and still is ) a huge issue in my home town.
Our local MP campaigned for a Rotherham style enquiry in to it but our Labour run council blocked it.

It's still an issue ?! I knew it I posted above that the UK government must never, ever allow gangs like this to operate again. Why is it happening? Why aren't police arresting the organisers & members?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 03/01/2025 11:06

Yes . We must never forget. I think Elon will be a great asset to US politics however I'm glad he's not afraid to call out over governments as he sees fit.“

Oh, OK, your friend “Elon” can do whatever he likes.

Nice try, Bot.

latetonews · 03/01/2025 11:07

HumanBurrito · 03/01/2025 11:02

  1. There has already been an enquiry
  2. studies have shown the grooming gangs are predominantly white
  3. I just don't believe the 250,000 figure. The entire population of Oldham is less than that.

I'd not read anywhere that they were found to be white men. From what I could gather, the main reason the girls were left to be raped for so many years that the police forces and council involved did not want to be seen as racist.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 11:07

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/01/2025 11:06

Yes . We must never forget. I think Elon will be a great asset to US politics however I'm glad he's not afraid to call out over governments as he sees fit.“

Oh, OK, your friend “Elon” can do whatever he likes.

Nice try, Bot.

🤣🤣

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CamelByCamel · 03/01/2025 11:07

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2025 11:01

You have a link to that claim?

The Torygraph ran with it yesterday, probably came from there.

Speaking of enquiries, perhaps we could do with one into why the Tories didn't implement the enquiry recommendations in 2022. Hopefully @1dayatatime is concerned about this failure?

cardibach · 03/01/2025 11:07

Bollihobs · 03/01/2025 10:10

Yeah, that's the important bit, not that rape gangs targeting children weren't stopped and prosecuted properly. 🤔🙄

Seriously, who cares who holds their feet to the fire over this as long as someone does.

You know it’s not about stopping rape gangs? It’s demanding a report which (once more for thos3 not paying attention) HAS ALREADY BEEN CARRIED OUT.

Pussycat22 · 03/01/2025 11:07

What the fuck has it got to do with him.???.

TheBlackSheepbaaaa · 03/01/2025 11:08

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 11:06

It's still an issue ?! I knew it I posted above that the UK government must never, ever allow gangs like this to operate again. Why is it happening? Why aren't police arresting the organisers & members?

Yes it's still an issue. As for your other questions..I have no idea but it is still happening.

TheHardestWalk · 03/01/2025 11:08

HagathaChristi · 03/01/2025 10:37

I need specific details of this cover-up - letters, emails etc, not just hearsay or opinion. Can you point me towards these, please? I would be genuinely interested to see this if you have a link.

Why do you not believe survivors like Sammy Woodhouse ?https://x.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1874612687784779830?s=46&t=omuKeAgAjscgni2jfxrNng

Sam Ashworth-Hayes on Twitter has excellent analysis and information.

This piece by Ben Sixsmith ‘There has not been a conspiracy of silence. There has instead been a conspiracy of murmuring’
https://www.bensixsmith.com/p/a-conspiracy-of-murmuring

is very good if you are interested.

Aibu to be very happy Elon Musk is putting so much pressure on Stamer over the grooming gang tragedies?
Aibu to be very happy Elon Musk is putting so much pressure on Stamer over the grooming gang tragedies?
Aibu to be very happy Elon Musk is putting so much pressure on Stamer over the grooming gang tragedies?
Aibu to be very happy Elon Musk is putting so much pressure on Stamer over the grooming gang tragedies?
MereDintofPandiculation · 03/01/2025 11:08

You are suggesting, in a democracy, that it is a good thing for our elected government to be ousted by someone who is not British, by someone who has not been elected in any capacity by the British people?

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 11:08

latetonews · 03/01/2025 11:07

I'd not read anywhere that they were found to be white men. From what I could gather, the main reason the girls were left to be raped for so many years that the police forces and council involved did not want to be seen as racist.

There are photos of the men all over the Internet! They are not white as the photos prove but the vast majority victims were...

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Sunbeam01 · 03/01/2025 11:09

WinterCrow · 03/01/2025 08:53

Can we start calling them what they are - child rape & torture gangs. These were rape networks for torturing girls, with rape locations that were in many cases known to police.

Unfortunately the word 'grooming' has been used to minimise what really happened, and still is happening.

This ^

YANBU.

User135644 · 03/01/2025 11:09

Elon is a hero.

The British establishment are evil. They protected Savile and protected these gangs.

PlopSofa · 03/01/2025 11:09

labamba007 · 03/01/2025 08:58

100% this, grooming is a huge understatement and I think it purposely called that to minimise the crimes - this was mass rape and torture of children.

I agree and swept under the carpet for fear of Islamaphobia.

i am not a fan of Elon for certain things he does and says. However, he’s extremely good at what he does. So I am torn.

I am suspending judgement until I see what he does with the DOGE work and if he can bring in efficiencies on the level of Milai.

All western countries are bankrupt paying billions in debt interest payments every year, that drain the system. Something needs to change, debt cannot expand forever.

Elon is a white supremacist for sure. So I’m not a fan. He’s also an aetheist so has no sympathy for religious fevers - or excuses…. and I quite understand that.

Hes a difficult man to categorise.

Leaders of the opposition have historically done very little to pressure any government into any kind of action. It’s usually celebs like footballers or chefs that pressure the government to really change.

If this time it must be a billionaire, so be it. And he is right, isn’t he?

Ultimately, that’s all I’m concerned with.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/01/2025 11:09

THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN AN ENQUIRY
THE TORY GOVERNMENT DID NOT IMPLEMENT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 11:09

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/01/2025 11:08

You are suggesting, in a democracy, that it is a good thing for our elected government to be ousted by someone who is not British, by someone who has not been elected in any capacity by the British people?

Well this has been a huge failure on the part of the UK government & I for one have no confidence in them.

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cardibach · 03/01/2025 11:10

Marchitectmummy · 03/01/2025 10:15

Unbelievable so much push back on Elon M and less comments about how outrageous it is that the government are not putting all efforts into investigating this.

Come on, is this really OK are we at that point now whether throwing hate at an American business man is more important than getting justice for young women?

Edited

There. Has. Been. An. Inquiry.

I don’t know where Musk gets the idea there hasn’t, or that Labour is blocking it or why he’s interested at all. It’s certainly not care for women and girls.

poetryandwine · 03/01/2025 11:10

@Chainzreaction appears to be making her first post with the start of this thread. What a surprise!

Many good points about EM here. I will just add that AfD, the German political party he supports, are not merely right wing. They are classified as ‘probable extremists’ by the German government and subject to ongoing, secret surveillance. They are isolationist, except that they favour closer ties with Russia. Etc.

This is the man now calling for the dissolution of Parliament

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