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Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 03/01/2025 10:45

CamelByCamel · 03/01/2025 10:40

There's already been a full blown enquiry. Labour aren't actually in a position to unhappen it.

The serious questions that need to be asked are why the Tories didn't implement the recommendations.

The question is how the current Labour government is going to deal with the issue - this is their problem now. We shall await a response from Keir Starmer with a credible plan of action.

SezFrankly · 03/01/2025 10:45

A smear campaign by a tycoon who wishes to place a wannabe trump in number 10. Yeah, you’re being pretty unreasonable, more accurately you’re being stupid to think this is anything to do with the CPS or grooming gangs.

Sometimeswinning · 03/01/2025 10:45

BishyBarnyBee · 03/01/2025 10:33

Can I ask about the use of the word "torture"?

It's clear these were rape gangs. It's clear the system deeply failed vulnerable young girls. As I understand it, the men involved are now, rightly , serving long sentences. But the only place I've seen torture mentioned is on here. Does anyone have a reliable source for that claim?

Torture is about inflicting pain and suffering on someone. Now think about a man raping a girl.

JumpingKecks · 03/01/2025 10:46

Does the data actually show one race/type of people doing this horrific crime more once you look at it per capita

whydoihavetowork · 03/01/2025 10:46

I'm happy to see the subject raised as it shouldn't be forgotten. But wtf has it got to do with him?!
There have been enquiries and even Nafir Azal who was the prosecutor has said there is no point in another. Once could argue not enough has been done absolutely. Disappointing to see Jess Philip's not being more vocal on it but then she's not going to support Musk is she?
I find it hard to take seriously anything a pro gun Trump supporter says so overall he is probably doing more harm than good.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 10:46

SezFrankly · 03/01/2025 10:45

A smear campaign by a tycoon who wishes to place a wannabe trump in number 10. Yeah, you’re being pretty unreasonable, more accurately you’re being stupid to think this is anything to do with the CPS or grooming gangs.

It's not a smear campaign! It's drawing global attention to the fact that an enquiry MUST take place.

OP posts:
CamelByCamel · 03/01/2025 10:47

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 03/01/2025 10:45

The question is how the current Labour government is going to deal with the issue - this is their problem now. We shall await a response from Keir Starmer with a credible plan of action.

I think its also worth asking why the right wing ex government ignored the recommendations at the time. Certainly it's something that needs to be said to the likes of Badenoch every time she seeks to discuss the issue.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 10:47

Child sexual exploitation by organised networks Investigation report February 2022

Summary
The Child sexual exploitation by organised networks investigation report revealed extensive failures by local authorities and police forces to keep pace with the changing nature of sexual exploitation of children carried out by networks. The investigation examined six case-study areas that have not already been the subject of well-publicised investigations of child sexual exploitation by organised networks: St Helens, Tower Hamlets, Swansea, Durham, Bristol and Warwickshire. The Inquiry considered evidence relating to more than 30 children and young people from the six case-study areas in order to better understand the experiences of children who were currently being (or very recently had been) sexually exploited by networks. The Inquiry also heard evidence directly from children who had been sexually exploited and abused between 2003 and 2011. This is the Inquiry’s 18th investigation report and was published in February 2022. Public hearings were held in this investigation during September and October 2020.

Key findings
The Inquiry’s findings show that less is now known and understood about the extent of child sexual exploitation than before 2015. The report found that the Inquiry did not receive a reliable picture of child sexual exploitation from the six case-study areas that provided information. The information showed that cases of child sexual exploitation were falling in two of the case-study areas, but the report found that this was highly unlikely to provide an accurate reflection of the experience of children (pages 3 and 36).
The report found that a distinctive professional language around child sexual exploitation has developed over many years, which describes children being ‘at risk’ despite clear evidence that they were harmed (page 4). The report states that too many victims of child exploitation are treated as offenders or as somehow responsible for the harm done to them, while those exploiting them are often not investigated or prosecuted (pages 68 and 142).

Recommendations
Recommendation 1 T
he government should amend the Sentencing Act 2020 to provide harsher penalties for offences relating to a child under part 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, where: (1) the child was exploited; (2) ‘exploitation’ means the child was controlled, coerced, manipulated or deceived into sexual activity; and (3) two or more people were involved in the exploitation.

Child Exploitation Disruption Toolkit
Recommendation 2 As referred to in its Tackling Child Sexual Abuse Strategy, the government should publish an updated version of its Child Exploitation Disruption Toolkit as soon as possible. This toolkit must: ● specify that the main part of the definition of child sexual exploitation is that a child was controlled, coerced, manipulated or deceived into sexual activity; ● include specific guidance on building effective problem profiles (bringing together information from different agencies into one place) for child sexual exploitation and child sexual exploitation by networks, as different from other forms of exploitation; ● specifically state the sources and types of information that agencies should use to build problem profiles; and ● say how often (at a minimum) problem profiles should be updated.

MilitantFawcett · 03/01/2025 10:47

kiwiane · 03/01/2025 10:31

Musk is trying to influence the next steps that our elected government takes to restrict social media.
Kemi Badenoch is making a big mistake if she aligns herself with Musk and Tommy Robinson; where is the old Tory party now?

💯

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2025 10:47

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 10:46

It's not a smear campaign! It's drawing global attention to the fact that an enquiry MUST take place.

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report.html

HagathaChristi · 03/01/2025 10:48

Alltheprettyseahorses · 03/01/2025 10:41

The rape gangs have been found to be a specific cultural problem and those findings have been suppressed and discredited for years by authority figures who think supposed left-wing credentials matter more than girls lives, preventing any action being taken. But you're saying that if we recognise that pattern we're putting girls in danger. Care to explain how?

Come on...You are an intelligent person. You know what they mean.

I remember doing a bit of research about what happened to some poor women in Victorian England! So these gangs are nothing new. If we focus on this as an issue specific to a particular race or culture then other gangs get the opportunity to operate with impunity.

I feel that there should be an inquiry into the circumstances of the vulnerable young women who are targeted by these gangs because it seems to me that people like Yaxley-Lennon don't give a sh1t about them until they become victims of gangs. Many of those girls need protection BEFORE they become victims of predators.

TheBlackSheepbaaaa · 03/01/2025 10:49

TreeSquirrel · 03/01/2025 09:16

Ime when a story is only being reported by GB News and amplified by far-right agitators, there is more to it. This is of course a distressing event for the girls involved, but the government have to look at wider considerations.

These are historic events dating back decades, which have already been investigated. What we don’t want is far-right activists jumping on these for their own racist and xenophobic ends and leading to community and national tensions.

These offences took place decades ago and have been impartially investigated away from the political arena. It’s not surprising that the far right are reluctant to move on, but it is now time to do so. Let’s not give the thugs any further ammunition.

Yes, they did take place decades ago but this is still happening! It hasn't stopped. It's still happening in my home town.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/01/2025 10:50

Musk, chum of Farage, trying to influence UK politics is in no way whatsoever a good thing.

Do you really think either care about young, working class girls in deprived areas of the UK?

NetZeroZealot · 03/01/2025 10:50

Musk should not be interfering in our politics, full stop. He's obviously chosen this cause as he knows people will agree with his stance on it and it will help deepen his political influence here with Farage and Reform.

His record is not unblemished either - have people forgotten how he tried to take over the rescue of the Thai football team who were trapped in underground caves a few years back, and accused the brave diver who rescued many of them of being a paedophile?

HagathaChristi · 03/01/2025 10:51

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 10:46

It's not a smear campaign! It's drawing global attention to the fact that an enquiry MUST take place.

It is a smear campaign. Musk is weaponising this issue for his own political agenda. He probably doesn't give a *!@& about the girls. It's disgusting.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 10:51

The inquiry, part two
Government guidance on child sexual exploitation
Recommendation 3 The Department for Education should review and publish an updated version of its guidance on child sexual exploitation. The update should specify that the main part of the definition of child sexual exploitation is that a child was controlled, coerced, manipulated or deceived into sexual activity. It should also include detailed information on: ● the role of the internet in child sexual exploitation; and ● how to identify and respond to child sexual exploitation carried out by networks of offenders. The Welsh Government should also update its guidance on child sexual exploitation to provide detailed information on how to identify and respond to exploitation carried out by networks of offenders.

Categories of risk and harm
Recommendation 4 The Department for Education and the Welsh Government must make sure that their updated national guidance makes clear that signs that a child is being sexually exploited must never be treated as indications that a child is only ‘at risk’ of experiencing this harm. In line with this, local authorities in England and Wales should make sure that their assessment of risk and harm enables them to accurately tell the difference between: ● children who are at risk of experiencing sexual exploitation; ● children who are experiencing or have already experienced sexual exploitation; and ● children who have experienced sexual exploitation and are at risk of experiencing further abuse.

Child sexual exploitation information
Recommendation 5 Police forces and local authorities in England and Wales must collect information on all cases of known or suspected child sexual exploitation and child sexual exploitation by networks. This information should be separated from other information, including that on child sexual abuse, and be separated by the sex, ethnic background and disability of both the victim and the person exploiting them. Police forces should use this information to guide problem profiling and activities to disrupt and investigate offenders. Local authorities should take account of the information when commissioning services for children. The UK Government and the Welsh Government should take steps to make sure that police forces and local authorities are collecting and separating the information in a consistent and accurate way.

Unregulated placements
Recommendation 6 The Department for Education should ban the placement in semi-independent and independent settings of children aged 16 and 17 who have experienced, or are at greater risk of experiencing, sexual exploitation. This should be put in place without delay.

MilitantFawcett · 03/01/2025 10:52

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 10:46

It's not a smear campaign! It's drawing global attention to the fact that an enquiry MUST take place.

An inquiry has taken place. It reported in 2022. It took 7 years and made a series of recommendations that the then govt failed to implement.

Are you not reading the replies to this thread? Several posters have corrected you and others on this already.

mrschocolatte · 03/01/2025 10:52

Betchyaby · 03/01/2025 10:33

That is their way. Cancel culture.

This is awkward. I wasn’t agreeing with that poster. I think you and I are on the opposite sides of the fence. Sorry to disappoint but I’m one of those looney liberal lefties. And very proud to be one.

firef1y · 03/01/2025 10:52

Yes you are, simply because he's only doing it for nefarious reasons, he's already got the president elected of the USA in his back pocket, he shouldn't be getting involved in our politics too

Saschka · 03/01/2025 10:53

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 10:46

It's not a smear campaign! It's drawing global attention to the fact that an enquiry MUST take place.

IT HAS TAKEN PLACE, BETWEEN 2015 - 2022, AND THE TORIES SWEPT IT UNDER THE CARPET AND REFUSED TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/01/2025 10:54

cardibach · 03/01/2025 10:26

We could stop him (and any other foreigner) from donating to British political businesses. Sorry, parties.

We already have rules saying donations to British political parties can come only from British citizens or companies. Msk has companies registered in Britain.

luckylavender · 03/01/2025 10:54

Elon Musk is a massive problem for our democracy. He was banging on about Tommy Robinson yesterday. The Tories are hypocrites.
Far more white men 'groom' children, but we never hear about that.

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:54

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/01/2025 10:50

Musk, chum of Farage, trying to influence UK politics is in no way whatsoever a good thing.

Do you really think either care about young, working class girls in deprived areas of the UK?

Honestly, speaking as someone who was a white girl in a working-class town who saw my friend be groomed by a man who worked in a takeaway and who knows a social worker who talked about ‘lifestyle choices’ nobody has ever given a fuck about these girls. Not Labour, not Tories and not Musk.

Gatecrashermum · 03/01/2025 10:54

MilitantFawcett · 03/01/2025 10:52

An inquiry has taken place. It reported in 2022. It took 7 years and made a series of recommendations that the then govt failed to implement.

Are you not reading the replies to this thread? Several posters have corrected you and others on this already.

OP, honestly I'm not one to normally say this kind of thing, but shut up.

You've been corrected numerous times by people pointing out an extensive inquiry was finished only 2 years ago. All that is left is to take some action.

I can only assume you are a bot or a troll.

Elon Musk doesn't want anything good for this country.

Izzy54321 · 03/01/2025 10:55

@BishyBarnyBee i would say the 11 year old who was tortured with an anal pump and raped by 4 men at the same time was definitely tortured. Easily found online not just here.

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