Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Oooh look at the misogyny in the language. How very left. Explains why girls being gang raped is less of an issue than protecting political parties. How telling.

Fine argument in whataboutism here; claiming that human rights aren’t an issue in the UK simply because things might be worse elsewhere misses the point entirely. What’s the purpose of having human rights enshrined in law in the UK if people can’t actually access them, or if there’s a concerted effort to prevent them from doing so? What happens in other countries is beside the point; we’re focused on what’s happening here, right now.

I want to see the government and institutions accountable. However, if current parties don’t inspire confidence in their ability to make meaningful change, it’s crucial to demand better leadership and advocate for stronger, more inclusive policies that protect all.

At the moment, it feels like no one is genuinely willing to take this on. All I see is politicians more focused on point-scoring than actually addressing the issues.

The push has to come from us. And I don’t the answers here, only things have to change or things will become very ugly.

You asked, so I'll provide... The Tories ruined this country - 14 years of total ineptitude, the systematic breakdown of public services, the inability to implement any positive change. They swept into leadership and decided to just sit still, try not to rock too many boats and they'd hold their position of power. Complacency at its finest. It worked well until the masses woke up to the rotting, stinking mess around them.

But how anyone can still champion Labour as the party for the working classes I don't know. They haven't given a crap about their red wall communities for years. Plenty of evidence of this has been provided throughout this thread alone. They're the party for the liberal elites, the champagne socialists. An utter disgrace. And I'm saying this as a ( now ex) lifelong Labour supporter.

Change is nigh.

What misogyny? I call everyone love, regardless of gender. You really are scraping the barrel now.

No you don’t. It was fully intended to be patronising. As you well know.

It wasn’t. Hasn’t this thread been derailed enough?

islam is notorious for giving women lesser rights, look at the places who run on religious lines!!

It's true that some aspects of Islamic jurisprudence can create issues for women, @CandlesOrangesRedribbon, but most of those have arisen from the culture attached to it rather than the religion itself

I've linked a useful piece for you below, but shorn of the corruption foisted upon it Islam teaches us that women are completely independent in their own right and stand equal to men before god:

https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/articles/woman_quran.html#:~:text=In%20Islam%20a%20woman%20is,liberty%20to%20choose%20her%20husband.

Stop using misogynistic language on a thread about the gang rape of mutiple young girls. To point score and defend Labour. There is a start.

It’s not misogynistic. I haven’t defended Labour, I’ve defended myself after a poster (who has now mysteriously disappeared) confused me with someone else and accused me of saying things I didn’t. A bit like you just have. If you (plural) really have to resort to this kind of thing which looks suspiciously like an attempt to chase anyone who doesn’t agree with you off the thread I feel sorry for you.

Fourth day of the news story, so it should be dead by now - unless it's really got legs. And Wes Streeting totally failed to bury it this morning.

Labour's thinking on this is very transparent. People know exactly what the difficult questions are and precisely why they don't want to ask them.

Many people would vote for a party that is prepared to ask them...

In the case of the UK grooming gangs, make no mistake. It’s Islam.

Now you’re projecting. That’s the tactic of the Labourites. Love is an old fashioned, patronising, misogynistic turn of phrase. To use it to point score on a forum called mumsnet where women are discussing how teens have been let down - it’s shameful. If you don’t want it highlighted best not to use such derogatory terms isn’t it?

We are talking about girls who have been gang raped by many men and protected by the patriarchal society - then you use language like that to put a woman in her place.

@GrouachMacbeth cc

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mirpuris

Oh, look, here comes another poster spectacularly missing the point again.

The hypocrisy of the Labour Party really sticks in my throat. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you, but let's break it down. The Tories have always been indifferent to the working classes—nothing new there. They’ve made it clear from the start that the working class is just a means to an end.

But it’s the Labour Party who have long claimed to speak on behalf of the working people, yet when it comes down to action, they fall short—it's do as I say, not as I do. They play the part, but the reality is they’ve failed just as badly as the Tories. Both parties are equally complicit in this mess.

The grooming scandal didn’t happen in a vacuum—it happened on their watch, under their noses. Both Labour and the Conservatives share the blame for their cowardice, their inaction, and their unwillingness to challenge the status quo when it mattered most.

Now you’re projecting.

Am I? Well the entire exchange is here for anyone to read so they can decide for themselves.

Yes just signed up 10mins ago.....

But you and others attack Brown, Blair, Smith etc etc....

You do not attack Cameron, Clegg, May....

These are in the main, historical crimes, going back decades as i believe you said...

So why the lack of evenhandedness?

No, what you seek to do is to tie Labour to these horrific crimes and the lack of actions when first uncovered.

As as far as i'm aware, your concern on CSA didn't appear until very recently on MN, isn't funny it never reared its ugly head 8 months ago.....

I cannot recall any threads about this subject, certainly not ones that went above a few comments.

There is one from June 2024, about Rotherham and Pakistani men... got 18 replies, where was your concern then?

@Puzzledandpissedoff that link is very interesting thank you

mmmmm i don't ever recall a Tory minister or broadcast saying they don't care about the working classes or that they are a means to an end.... do you?

Yet you hold Lab to a far higher standard... all ok for the Tories to ignore CSA but woe betide a Labour politician... is that the jest of your argument?

Labour have said they will fully implement the findings of the IIRC report... the Tories repeatedly refused too, despite being in power.

But yes, i totally agree all parties, inc the LDs in coalition, Police etc failed to protect the most vulnerable & doubtless continue to do so.

Yawn.

Alexandra, it kicked off under brown.

It's kicked off now because JP doesn't want a national inquiry.

Exactly bar which Is why I'm hoping public anger drives real change there

There’s already been one.

Tired? have a lie down....

CSA among Pakistani communities "kicked off" under Thatcher/Major, it was known about then, ignored, same with Cyril Smith, Saville TOPS abuses.... brushed under the carpet.

..and why weren't you on here calling for a National Inquiry when Sunak etc refused one???
i believe as little as 2 years ago.

Oh is that the excuse she used?

There has already been one, let me refer you to it, link??

Yawn again, kicked off as in the work of the women on the front line started to come to light and literally joined up thinking.

The link’s been all over the multitude of threads on this subject, including this one. I’m sure you’re capable of finding it.