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Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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Perzival · 01/01/2025 23:45

I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Labour REJECTS Oldham's call for Government inquiry into grooming gangs scandal

Safeguarding Minister Jess Phillips has said Oldham should 'take its own approach' instead

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

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User8646382 · 05/01/2025 12:54

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 12:49

"These girls have been fundamentally let down by Labour and Cons. It is about time their stories shamed our nation to be honest." - Yes, they have been failed and it is shameful.
"I don’t care who does it." - you should if it is designed to undermine a democratically elected government and destabilise our institutions. Who is REALLY going to tackle the issue if it's political chaos? You think Nigel will be the one to do it? perhaps with his £100 million from Musk? Populists are very good at pressing down on really emotive pain points but they never ever offer practical, actionable solutions. It's always simplistic answers to complex issues. Always. We cannot fall for that.

Destabilise the institutions? Is this a joke? The institutions are about as stable as a house of cards. And they all need bringing down - the whole rotten lot of them.

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 12:57

MichaelandKirk · 05/01/2025 12:52

I agree with Baba. Blossomtoes seems to be a real fan of Labour and keeps trying to make excuses for them. That and saying 14 years of Tories etc etc

Yes, love, I’m a Labour voter. That’s not a crime and it doesn’t give other posters carte blanche to make fabricated accusations. I suggest you and @Babadookinthewardrobe do an advanced search on my user name so you can see exactly what I’ve posted on this thread. The L in my name, by the way, is an upper case i just to make it easier for you.

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 12:58

User8646382 · 05/01/2025 12:54

Destabilise the institutions? Is this a joke? The institutions are about as stable as a house of cards. And they all need bringing down - the whole rotten lot of them.

That's the typical argument from agents of chaos who seek to manipulate us: make people believe that democracy is already dead so calling out the threat becomes pointless. Nope. Institutions are not perfect, representative democracy is not perfect, but it certainly deserves being fought for. Because what would replace it eh? How would you enforce your human rights without those reviled institutions, as imperfect as they are?

Almn0etd · 05/01/2025 12:58

How stupid do you have to be to believe anything the government/authorities tell you.

It’s baffling that people in this forum fall over themselves to defend those in power, and anyone questioning is a conspiracy theorist.

Seriously, how braindead are these gullible people.

MichaelandKirk · 05/01/2025 12:58

I think we all guessed you were a Labour voter….

User8646382 · 05/01/2025 12:59

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 12:58

That's the typical argument from agents of chaos who seek to manipulate us: make people believe that democracy is already dead so calling out the threat becomes pointless. Nope. Institutions are not perfect, representative democracy is not perfect, but it certainly deserves being fought for. Because what would replace it eh? How would you enforce your human rights without those reviled institutions, as imperfect as they are?

What human rights? I’m white working class. I don’t have any human rights.

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 12:59

User8646382 · 05/01/2025 12:59

What human rights? I’m white working class. I don’t have any human rights.

I suggest you take a few trips outside of your Western bubble and realise what no human rights actually means.

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 13:00

MichaelandKirk · 05/01/2025 12:58

I think we all guessed you were a Labour voter….

You didn’t have to. I’ve always been completely open about it, why wouldn’t I? It’s not a dirty little secret.

User8646382 · 05/01/2025 13:02

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 12:59

I suggest you take a few trips outside of your Western bubble and realise what no human rights actually means.

Lol.

MichaelandKirk · 05/01/2025 13:06

Well Labour are doing so well so no worries. They have managed to drop massively in the polls giving Farage a voice and he comes over well. Watch him over the next few years.

Starmer is completely out of his depth and what daft decision will be make next?They have no real experience of running businesses. I don’t believe there is a business person in any of them. Hence the stupid decisions about NI, taking the WFA away and does anyone really think now that our young people will continue saving for a pension after what has happened. Of course the public sector will get more and more bloated (which is what they want). What did they think was going to happen?

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:18

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 12:59

I suggest you take a few trips outside of your Western bubble and realise what no human rights actually means.

I am now sure how grateful the working class are feeling right now for living in the west.

The argument that the working class should feel privileged to live in the "Western bubble" assumes a privilege that many don’t experience. For many in these communities, human rights feel hollow when their reality is marked by economic struggle, political neglect, and a system that doesn’t meet their needs. Where’s the privilege when they work long hours for low pay, live in underfunded areas, and watch their communities decline?

These individuals aren't benefiting from the supposed advantages of the West. The idea of "privilege" doesn’t resonate when they face job insecurity, rising costs, and lack of opportunity. To suggest they should be grateful ignores their very real experience of disenfranchisement. The notion of "Western privilege" feels irrelevant when they’re continuously sidelined by a system meant to serve them.

The grooming scandals in places like Rotherham, Oxford, and Telford highlight this neglect. These horrors persisted for years because authorities failed to act, showing how little these communities are valued by the very institutions that should protect them.
These scandals aren't just about the victims; they’re about the systemic disregard for working-class concerns. Institutions failed to intervene due to inertia or fear of upsetting certain groups, sending a clear message: their rights and needs don’t matter. Far from feeling privileged, these communities feel abandoned and unheard.

In this context, the idea that the white working class should feel "lucky" in the West is disconnected from their lived reality. The grooming scandals demonstrate how the promise of rights and safety means little when these communities are ignored by the systems that are supposed to protect them.

SunshineOceanAndOranges · 05/01/2025 13:22

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:18

I am now sure how grateful the working class are feeling right now for living in the west.

The argument that the working class should feel privileged to live in the "Western bubble" assumes a privilege that many don’t experience. For many in these communities, human rights feel hollow when their reality is marked by economic struggle, political neglect, and a system that doesn’t meet their needs. Where’s the privilege when they work long hours for low pay, live in underfunded areas, and watch their communities decline?

These individuals aren't benefiting from the supposed advantages of the West. The idea of "privilege" doesn’t resonate when they face job insecurity, rising costs, and lack of opportunity. To suggest they should be grateful ignores their very real experience of disenfranchisement. The notion of "Western privilege" feels irrelevant when they’re continuously sidelined by a system meant to serve them.

The grooming scandals in places like Rotherham, Oxford, and Telford highlight this neglect. These horrors persisted for years because authorities failed to act, showing how little these communities are valued by the very institutions that should protect them.
These scandals aren't just about the victims; they’re about the systemic disregard for working-class concerns. Institutions failed to intervene due to inertia or fear of upsetting certain groups, sending a clear message: their rights and needs don’t matter. Far from feeling privileged, these communities feel abandoned and unheard.

In this context, the idea that the white working class should feel "lucky" in the West is disconnected from their lived reality. The grooming scandals demonstrate how the promise of rights and safety means little when these communities are ignored by the systems that are supposed to protect them.

I am not saying working class people should feel content with what they have. Not at all. Things could and should be better here. But seriously, saying that there are no human rights here in the UK when it's blatantly worse in so many other places in the world in all respects is really offensive. Saying that we don't have human rights is precisely a display of entitlement and privilege. Or ignorance. We should fight for what we have and fight to improve it. Not throw it to the dogs!

rainingsnoring · 05/01/2025 13:23

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:18

I am now sure how grateful the working class are feeling right now for living in the west.

The argument that the working class should feel privileged to live in the "Western bubble" assumes a privilege that many don’t experience. For many in these communities, human rights feel hollow when their reality is marked by economic struggle, political neglect, and a system that doesn’t meet their needs. Where’s the privilege when they work long hours for low pay, live in underfunded areas, and watch their communities decline?

These individuals aren't benefiting from the supposed advantages of the West. The idea of "privilege" doesn’t resonate when they face job insecurity, rising costs, and lack of opportunity. To suggest they should be grateful ignores their very real experience of disenfranchisement. The notion of "Western privilege" feels irrelevant when they’re continuously sidelined by a system meant to serve them.

The grooming scandals in places like Rotherham, Oxford, and Telford highlight this neglect. These horrors persisted for years because authorities failed to act, showing how little these communities are valued by the very institutions that should protect them.
These scandals aren't just about the victims; they’re about the systemic disregard for working-class concerns. Institutions failed to intervene due to inertia or fear of upsetting certain groups, sending a clear message: their rights and needs don’t matter. Far from feeling privileged, these communities feel abandoned and unheard.

In this context, the idea that the white working class should feel "lucky" in the West is disconnected from their lived reality. The grooming scandals demonstrate how the promise of rights and safety means little when these communities are ignored by the systems that are supposed to protect them.

Exactly.
This and the worsening economic hardships experienced in the UK, the US and parts of Europe in the last 20 years are exactly why the Populists, which seem to be more right wing populists than left at present, have been so successful.

Making excuses of various sorts ignores these facts.

GrouachMacbeth · 05/01/2025 13:25

Although it was reported at the time of convictions and a few not well publicised reports it would only have received less projection of the perpetrators has been transgender, such is the cowardice in the media.
I presume it is yellow bellied editors and owners who have been responsible for ot this.

D23456789 · 05/01/2025 13:26

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:18

I am now sure how grateful the working class are feeling right now for living in the west.

The argument that the working class should feel privileged to live in the "Western bubble" assumes a privilege that many don’t experience. For many in these communities, human rights feel hollow when their reality is marked by economic struggle, political neglect, and a system that doesn’t meet their needs. Where’s the privilege when they work long hours for low pay, live in underfunded areas, and watch their communities decline?

These individuals aren't benefiting from the supposed advantages of the West. The idea of "privilege" doesn’t resonate when they face job insecurity, rising costs, and lack of opportunity. To suggest they should be grateful ignores their very real experience of disenfranchisement. The notion of "Western privilege" feels irrelevant when they’re continuously sidelined by a system meant to serve them.

The grooming scandals in places like Rotherham, Oxford, and Telford highlight this neglect. These horrors persisted for years because authorities failed to act, showing how little these communities are valued by the very institutions that should protect them.
These scandals aren't just about the victims; they’re about the systemic disregard for working-class concerns. Institutions failed to intervene due to inertia or fear of upsetting certain groups, sending a clear message: their rights and needs don’t matter. Far from feeling privileged, these communities feel abandoned and unheard.

In this context, the idea that the white working class should feel "lucky" in the West is disconnected from their lived reality. The grooming scandals demonstrate how the promise of rights and safety means little when these communities are ignored by the systems that are supposed to protect them.

Yes I agree; I felt particularly insulted by that post suggesting we should feel privileged living in a Western bubble. As a mother of disabled children, my family have been routinely abused, hated, discriminated and my son was attacked because of his disability. Noone was interested in helping us because of the rotten ableist attitudes rife in my local council. Anyone who suggests we live a privileged life because we live in the West needs to learn a bit more about the lived experience of some of us in this country.

GrouachMacbeth · 05/01/2025 13:28

Has there been any drilling down into the fiber demographic details of the perpetrators? They were identified as south Asian, but certainly mass rape and coercive control - slavery effectively is not common to south asian men. It's not islam, as plenty of muslim men do not subscribe to this. It's not "men" as you don't hear of this crime being common to black men, white men or men of Chinese origin. Is it class or caste based? Is it something else?

Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2025 13:30

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 05/01/2025 11:30

@Cloclo15 only a few dogmatic posters care about the conduit and they are well known labour supporters who won't have a bad word said about them.

I don't know why you are trying to attribute this to me or anyone else?

I don't support Labour and over the decades, rarely have.

Its also an irrelevance and distraction.... i ve tried to be constructive and agreed with one pro inquiry poster but you and others appear to be happy to use this subject to attack Labour, whilst say "oh its all Govts" yet only attack Starmer, Brown Smith and now agree with Musk who is saying disgusting things about Phillips, who even Chris Philps said was very wrong.

Yet to hear criticisms against individual former Tories who were in Govt for 14 years and also did fuck all but then make up invisible memos against Brown etc.... i assume this virtual memo was rescinded by Cameron? May? Johnson Sunak? no.....

JP has spent her entire political life calling out violence and abuse against women and lives under constant Police protection because of it.

The priority should be prevention and prosecution but that doesn't seem to be too popular, far better to attack Labour instead.

Anyone who supports Musk is a total..... no, i wont say what i really think about his supporters.

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:35

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 13:00

You didn’t have to. I’ve always been completely open about it, why wouldn’t I? It’s not a dirty little secret.

The Labour Party seems to have completely lost touch with its roots, Clement Attlee and Aneurin Bevn would be horrified to see how far the party has strayed from its core principles.

The Labour Party may try to appear as though it cares about the people, but in reality, it’s all just a performance.

Corruption and elitism run deep, and there’s a clear double standard: one set of rules for the powerful, and another for the rest of us. See Angela Raynor and Rachel Reeves who claim to stand for ordinary people, whilst accumulating wealth and property while many struggle to afford even a single home.

It’s the age-old divide—talking a good game for the masses while benefiting the elite behind closed doors.

Today, there’s a real void in leadership—no figure who genuinely represents the working class or their needs.

And we are on dangerous grounds.

Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2025 13:39

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:35

The Labour Party seems to have completely lost touch with its roots, Clement Attlee and Aneurin Bevn would be horrified to see how far the party has strayed from its core principles.

The Labour Party may try to appear as though it cares about the people, but in reality, it’s all just a performance.

Corruption and elitism run deep, and there’s a clear double standard: one set of rules for the powerful, and another for the rest of us. See Angela Raynor and Rachel Reeves who claim to stand for ordinary people, whilst accumulating wealth and property while many struggle to afford even a single home.

It’s the age-old divide—talking a good game for the masses while benefiting the elite behind closed doors.

Today, there’s a real void in leadership—no figure who genuinely represents the working class or their needs.

And we are on dangerous grounds.

....and as if by magic, along comes another post attacking Labour... but no one else.

Incredible.

Tories can accumulate wealth and ignore CSA and thats all ok....

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 13:39

Barr77 · 05/01/2025 13:35

The Labour Party seems to have completely lost touch with its roots, Clement Attlee and Aneurin Bevn would be horrified to see how far the party has strayed from its core principles.

The Labour Party may try to appear as though it cares about the people, but in reality, it’s all just a performance.

Corruption and elitism run deep, and there’s a clear double standard: one set of rules for the powerful, and another for the rest of us. See Angela Raynor and Rachel Reeves who claim to stand for ordinary people, whilst accumulating wealth and property while many struggle to afford even a single home.

It’s the age-old divide—talking a good game for the masses while benefiting the elite behind closed doors.

Today, there’s a real void in leadership—no figure who genuinely represents the working class or their needs.

And we are on dangerous grounds.

You didn’t need to quote me to say that! Broadly speaking what you say has merit. I vote for the least worst. Your criticism of Rayner is unfair though, her rise from the worst circumstances imaginable is inspiring, why shouldn’t she own a house while planning the biggest building programme in 70 years?

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 05/01/2025 13:44

@GrouachMacbeth in some of the masses of reading I think, I saw a specific area or region of Pakistan, possibly close to Afghanistan but I could be totally wrong.

Re everyone else well islam is notorious for giving women lesser rights, look at the places who run on religious lines!!

White men, rape and do what they can, and look at eastern European sex trafficking across Europe.

I don't know much about the Chinese in this regard actually and feminism and msyogeny but I am sure I read somewhere that mao did create an more equal society (living in utter misery but equal non the less)

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 05/01/2025 13:44
  • we all know about British white men also
CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 05/01/2025 13:47

@Alexandra2001 are you new to mn?
The labour party are in power.
It's labour mp whose turned this down now.

There have been and still are many threads about Tory's.

Atissues · 05/01/2025 13:51

https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/1875224480651379147

This lady needs to speak in parliament - all MPs should be forced to attend and listen to her. This is a very upsetting read. She is very eloquent and brave. The authorities failed her and many others.

She has had 1 million views of this post - because the topic was highlighted on X.

Let’s see if any MPs (cons, lab or anyone else) call for SM restrictions rather than an enquiry. I’m hoping I’m wrong but at the minute nothing would surprise me.

Almn0etd · 05/01/2025 13:51

Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2025 13:39

....and as if by magic, along comes another post attacking Labour... but no one else.

Incredible.

Tories can accumulate wealth and ignore CSA and thats all ok....

Who said it’s ok?

Do you struggle with two things being true at the same time?

Or is whataboutery the default setting?

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