Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Yes I think this is all part of downplaying what happened/is happening. As someone upthread said it gave an impression of persuasive coercion rather than the torture and rape we are finding out about. I will be calling them child rape torture gangs from now on.

From her Twitter (x) still there today. Almost as if she's looking into a mirror.

I will refer you to basically every page since page 1 where I've talked about how horrible and shocking what happened was.

A discussion of what to do next inevitably has political considerations.

In the case of Jess Phillips specifically which is nominally the topic of this thread: how can she AT ALL be expected to be neutral on this given her constituency and the demographic makeup of her constituents?

It is impossible and I'm no Jess Phillips stan but it was politically irresponsible to put her in charge of this knowing the size of her majority against a Gaza independent.

The recommendations allowed to be in scope for any inquiry will depend on the party in power when such an inquiry is done. And who they are beholden to for votes.

For me it says it all that phillips is worried about her (muslim) vote if indeed she is. I can't imagine that if these were white gangs targeting Muslims that mps would be worried about white people not voting for them if they decided to tackle it. I think they would be applauded.

So why do you think the previous government turned down the same request from Oldham council?

Is it, perhaps, that there are genuine reasons to think that a government-led investigation into Oldham, specifically, may not be the best course of action?

I don't agree.

The poster who described the large scale planned sexual torture of underage girls as 'a distressing event for the girls involved' and stated that 'when a story is only being reported by GB News and amplified by far-right agitators, there is more to it.' absolutely was minimising it. That poster set out how we shouldn't talk about this calculated sexual abuse of poor white girls, which was enabled by local authorities, local police etc because
'we don’t want is far-right activists jumping on these for their own racist and xenophobic ends and leading to community and national tensions'.

That is minimising. And it is disgusting.

I would guess that because the media wasn't paying that much attention, so the politicians didn't bother. Too much hassle and might lead to critical headlines. Working class girls don't have any clout with the media, so who cares, really.

A few jail sentences for a few of the perpetrators, and move swiftly on. "Lessons will be learnt".

I am fine with it being locally or nationally led but Bad Enoch criticising the current government over this is laughable given her party had 14 years to do this.

ETA: oh I see they did not just have the chance to do this and did not, they actively rejected a call for a national enquiry.

Which suggests Bad Enoch is not concerned about MVAWG - it’s just using the abuse of girls for politics.

Lovely.

Bad Enoch??

Versus the good one, presumably. Bit odd! 😅

GB news is discussing it again tonight. The presenter gave a content warning so I'm guessing they won't shy away from anything.

Can't believe I haven't watched this channel sooner.

Got as far as kebab meat and have had to have a break. Bloody horrific.

Live now and its shocking but very interesting discussion.

I agree that we shouldn't blame everyone in a race or religion. I have close Muslim friends who I value deeply and I'm not just saying that.

However: that doesn't mean we should deliberately blind ourselves to how we've let ourselves into a situation where people feel more loyalty to their community/ethnic group than to the British rule of law, and act accordingly, and how that can compound when they're concentrated in a particular area and in a few select positions of power.

A white girl gets abused. She runs out and calls for help from a nearby taxi driver, who is Pakistani, and he abuses her again. She goes to the police, the policeman's a cousin and sends a quiet message back to her abuser to warn him, he arranges a deal with the local councillor who's also part of the "community" to get the original guy off charges... This is a hypothetical scenario cobbled together from several real cases.

One of the observations of the 2022 inquiry was that police forces were blind to these community links, to the girls' detriment. An example of a question we should be asking: should police forces be racially selective when deciding which police officer to investigate a case? Why/why not?

@OneAmberFinch

However: that doesn't mean we should deliberately blind ourselves to how we've let ourselves into a situation where people feel more loyalty to their community/ethnic group than to the British rule of law, and act accordingly, and how that can compound when they're concentrated in a particular area and in a few select positions of power.

Why do you think the abuse of girls is about people “ feeling loyalty to their community / group”?

You think these rapes were because the men did not see themselves as British???

Huh?

@OneAmberFinch i agree JP cannot be neutral. They need someone who is not in an affected area. Wales seems to have escaped the rapist gangs.

I have spent a large part of the last 24 hours reading about this. And it’s huge. So many people involved in the cover up. I am saddened by this MN thread in so many ways.

So many responses on this thread and X show that there are still people that think protecting the men and multiculturalism is more important than protecting children. These girls have had their lives ruined. And the authorities let it happen to more girls. Collateral damage.

If this was white Sunday league football teams getting together to gang rape and torture 11 year olds I think the tone and rhetoric would be very different.

We also shame those that question the approved narrative by calling them Far Right. Why do the child rape/torture gangs not feel shame in their communities? How do they find other Pakistani rapists/torturers so easily? Is this being discussed openly in schools/mosques etc? This needs investigating.

@TreeSquirrel People are saying these gang rapes are still happening.

TRIGGER WARNING
Children being anally raped by four men at the exact same time. So 4 men at once. Raped by broken bottles.

It feels like it’s inconvenient for the governments (Labour and Cons) that the girls and families and public want rapes and corruption looking into. Maybe they should just keep quiet for the sake of the men and community cohesion and so the MPs keep their seats without bother and money being spent. Maybe we could offer up our primary age children to the men willingly so they don’t have the inconvenience of having to groom and buy drugs and alcohol for them before they are raped, abused and sold.

Its becoming very clear from reading court statements that the Pakistani men believed the white girls were worthless. One said he was taught white girls are like a piece of chewing gum on the street. Any investigation should establish why the men think white girls and Sikh girls are worthless because that many men involved in gang rapes etc suggests it’s being taught at home/school/mosques or somewhere. And that is not acceptable in the U.K.

This thread and topic has really made me question many things. I am also appalled at some comments on here and on Twitter which do not prioritise the girls. Right wing, left wing, east wing so what. Any wing prepared to shed light on this matter is doing the right thing.

I believe if it was a catholic or church scandal the rhetoric on here would be different. A religion or nationality being above criticism is a problem. And if we believe that it’s okay to tolerate behaviour from some people at the expense of other sectors of society it further demonstrates why people thought it was okay to be hidden from the public.

We are a western nation that is showing the world that we are incapable of protecting our vulnerable citizens. That is surely the first priority of any government?

Yes of course. These people are from very tribal societies - they are the same ones that marry cousins down the generations as that is all about keeping the tribe intact. So their first loyalty is to their tribe, just because they are given a British passport that doesn't change, people are so naive.

@OneAmberFinch Ignor that poster they are race-baiting you.

As was just discussed on GB-News just now these gang rapists were made up of 1 in 8 of the men from the Pakistani Community in the Oldham area.

?? My question is regarding the bit I quoted?

Excellent post @Atissues

This is why I support an inquiry. To see if there is validity in this or if it’s the usual knee jerk response whenever any abhorrent crime occurs that involves non-whites - their ethnicity becomes central to the reason people think they acted as they did.

Agree. 💯

Anyone who continues trying to minimize what happened or insist "everything has been covered, let's just move on", has really reached the depths of political cynicism.