Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

[Perzival]

I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

I don't think you read mine or rather what you wanted to read... i did say ALL Govts have not funded the criminal justice system.... most of the Rotherham scandal happened under Blair, i'm certainly not being defensive.

My point is we just need to act on the inquires already done, one a nationwide inquiry.

Yes of course people go to the populists, its the easy thing to do but when has a populist governed well? we tried it with Bojo......

Sunak Truss Braverman, Patel & now Badenoch ALL from the right wing of the party.

Super hi immigration is as a direct result of their brexit policy..... need migrant labour? can't get it from the EU, so now from Africa and Asia... but now with dependents, who will never go back to their home countries, unlike your Polish builder or Romanian care worker.

Record student numbers? of course, don't fund uni's where else do they come from.... and bring dependents.

Then there is a ridiculous HK asylum policy, utter madness.

What a ridiculous response.

Rape gangs that target whits and Sikh girls is a Pakistani Muslim.issue.

Do you bleat not all men as well?
The subsequent cover up was because they were Pakistani Muslim men.

Single enquiries looking at one geographical area were fine before guess what it turned out to be labour run council areas mainly with predominantly Pakistani Muslim communities and nationwide a joined up approach looking at the misogynistic classist response to this along with how the rights of the perpetrators can trump the victims is needed.

You're making my point for me here. There isn't one "Muslim community" any more than there is one "Christian community" or "white community" let's absolutely pursue the individuals responsible for committing the crimes and those responsible for allowing it to happen when they could have intervened. But it should not be held against every Muslim in the country, most of whom are no more responsible than you or I.

Ugh, what an abhorrent post. No, piss off, we won’t sweep it under the carpet thank you.

This is so wrong....this is still ongoing....community tensions can go to fuck

Tories were more left than the current Labour Party. High immigration, high taxes on higher earners, tax cuts for everyone else. Sunak, right? Laughable. He gave away more money from higher earners to the rest of society than any chancellor/PM ever.

But the cover up's, yes of course they happened, were at local levels & both Tory and now Labour Govts refused inquiries.... so i don't buy the "labour run councils BS"

We've had several inquiries, no recommendations implemented.... thats the scandal now.

Abuse that is happening now, cannot be dealt with by any inquiry, the Police/CPS have to be allowed to do their job, without political interference.

Good god, I can’t believe there are apologists on here minimising what happened (and continues to happen) to these poor girls because “it’s a right wing smear attempt” or they don’t like the news outlet. You need to take a long hard look at yourself and then do a lot better @MerrilyOnhigh.

He & his party ran the country so badly he had no choice plus Covid and Ukraine ...... who else had any money after 14 years of Austerity?

Any ideas on how to provide for the Govts day to day spending?

I'm sure RS values you calling him Left of Labour though... laughable indeed....

Which would be the point no. Joined up way of managing a situation that haf it been dealt with correctly initially wouldnt need it. Google is your friend put the areas in see how.many come back as labour run?
I can do it if you want. I am extremely confident the majority will be, and as a pp stated girls were sold for votes effectively

It’s not about that is it? It’s about people likes you making jibes about right wing to justify the colossal failings whilst justifying the rapes of these children and brushing it under the carpet.

The Tories of recent times are not right wing. To say so shows a huge lack of understanding. It’s all irrelevant - the main parties are systematically failing everyone. Where is our answer?

It was Labour MP Sarah Champion who rang the bell on CSA in Rotherham, she did more to highlight the issues in the area than anyone in the then Tory Government.

I completely agree. Some of the posts on this thread are absolutely sickening.

But this whole current row is about another enquiry looking at one geographical area. All the rage is because of a disagreement about who should conduct it.

I would absolutely support a national enquiry into grooming gangs and what could be done to put a stop to them.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't blame an entire race or religion for the actions these vile people. That is heading into very dangerous territory.

Labour are actually in government currently so have far more pressure on them to actually add up the costs, whereas Reform can promise whatever they like at present. They are clearly struggling to do this, although this is not solely their fault, given the current circumstances (see the UK is in terminal decline thread). The Net Zero/ fracking debate is far, far more complicated than most people realise, with neither side being at all realistic, as someone who has done a lot of reading about our energy situation.
I can't say I know a huge amount about how popular Meloni and Orban are in their respective countries. I did note that Orban recently stood up to Nato though, which may well be a positive for his own country.
Historically, there have been good principles on the left and right of the political spectrums. Now, there seems to be rather a vacuum everywhere. I hope this doesn't get filled with something even worse.

It’s not really about wider political sensitivities either, is it? It’s about individuals and what they stand to lose. So many noses in so many troughs.

I agree @OneAmberFinch.

I am interested in what you said about the other political parties in several other countries putting their citizens first. What makes you think this?

@Alexandra2001 and her party shouted her down and closed her down as *racist"

@rainingsnoring and @OneAmberFinch If you both want to side line this discussion about political parties and reform. Start a new thead of your own, this is about the victims of disgusting and horedous evil acts of insidious grooming gangs.

FFS

I can assure you I would not be. This is a very serious and upsetting matter, not to mention ruining the lives of so
many abused young girls. You might be happy to turn the other cheek and abandon them, much like Jess Phillips. I am not.

Don't call them "grooming gangs". These are "rape gangs". These were young, vulnerable girls who could not consent and were horribly violated and abused. It's shameful that the full horror of what happened and continues to happen is just coming into the international spotlight after so many years. Absolutely shameful.

Thank you, I was looking for an acceptable source for this. She's a very brave woman

And what happened to her?

Nobody is minimizing it.

There are, broadly, two schools of thought.

One is that the various inquiries that have already taken place are sufficient, and now the priority should be taking action to implement the recommendations of those inquiries (particularly the one released in 2022). That is not to say that further inquiries are not welcome or encouraged, but they do not need to be government-led.

One is that we do need a further, national inquiry, thar should be government-led.

What Oldham counsel have asked of the previous and current governments for, is for the government to lead an additional inquiry localized to Oldham. Apparently neither Jess Phillips nor her predecessor think that to be the best approach - I.e. they fall within the first school.

While there might be differences of opinion as to the next procedural steps, nobody is minimizing it. The accusation of minimization, or sweeping in under the rug or whatever else, seems to be party politics.