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Should I of gotten in the car?

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CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:16

I have a friend with 2 kids, ages 5 and 10, her 10 year old has additional needs and can be quite hard work (suspected ADHD).

When we go out together, she has to drive because of the car seat requirement for her 5 year old. Lately her 10 year old will not get out of the front seat when picking me up, I’ve had to resort to sitting in the back with the 5 year old and her car is not overly roomy in the back seat. The last time I was in the back for 1 hour 20 mins each way and it was super uncomfortable on my back. In the past when I have managed to get in the front seat before him, he has kicked the chair constantly on the drive back.

Last week I was asked if I wanted to go watch their football game, so I said yes but that I needed to sit in the front seat. I reminded him of this on Monday when I bumped into them down the street. They came to pick me up this morning for 7.45am. He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok? So I shut the door and said I’ll drive my own car and meet you there. She was a bit put out by this but I said my backs not been that great and I don’t want to sit in the back for 45 mins and he’s clearly not going to move.

So she left, I got in my car, but then realised that I didn’t know which football oval they were playing on. I tried calling her but no answer so I sent a text saying I needed the oval name and address and set off to the area I thought it was in. 15 mins into the drive I stopped for a takeaway coffee, no text response from her, called again and no answer. So I sent another text and said I’ll have to give it a miss as not sure which oval, and I went home.

I got a message from her at 11am saying it was a shame I missed out on their great day out and next time I should be a little bit more tolerant, because I know how their son can be, and that flexibility goes a long way in a friendship. I’ve responded that from now on it just may be easier if I drive myself, and that I’ve always been accomodating to her family’s needs, but the shouting at 7.30am was just to much for me.

Should I of gotten in her car? AIBU here to say I’ll drive myself from now on, so I can avoid all the drama? It does mean we can’t catch up in the car but to be honest he’s usually talking over the top of everyone and cuts you off so it’s not like the conversation is flowing well. I do enjoy spending time with them and she says she appreciates the extra hand as we typically do kid things when her husband is not available, and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all, and my own entry into events. My children are in their 20s now so maybe I’m less tolerant. I do value our friendship, we’re the same age but I had my kids at 25, 27 and 30 and she had hers at 37 and 42 - we’re both 48 this year.

TLDR - would you sit in the back seat of a car if a child wouldn’t move for you? Or drive yourself.

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CurledUpLikeADog · 01/01/2025 11:48

CandyLeBonBon · 01/01/2025 01:47

I think people are saying that just as you have written

"In hindsight I would have driven myself,"

You could also have written "should I have gotten in the car"

It's the 'of' instead of the 'have' that's causing the confusion.

It’s really not causing confusion. People are just being arseholes.

SnoopysHoose · 01/01/2025 11:48

@PeppyGreenFinch
You think Channel 4 should show programmes to cater to Aussies?
why not? tv channels are accessed worldwide, should C4 only cater for MC south England? typical MN

whathaveiforgotten · 01/01/2025 11:50

@candylebonbon

It's the 'of' instead of the 'have' that's causing the confusion.

You don't really think they're confused at all though, do you?

They're just criticising her word choice. Which is their prerogative, but let's not suggest they're actually confused!

PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 12:18

SnoopysHoose · 01/01/2025 11:48

@PeppyGreenFinch
You think Channel 4 should show programmes to cater to Aussies?
why not? tv channels are accessed worldwide, should C4 only cater for MC south England? typical MN

Aussies represent 0.1% of the population of the UK.

You seriously can’t expect any programmes to be catered to them.

sonjadog · 01/01/2025 12:22

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 11:46

It's also valid in Scottish and NI English too.

All the best folk, basically. 😉

Just to add a little fuel to the fire.... while it is used in spoken English in Scotland and NI, is it also correct in written English? It is a long, long time since I was at school in NI, but I remember being told that we had to write "got" even if we said "gotten". Although that may well have changed since I was at school.

MimiGC · 01/01/2025 12:23

I don't think I would be going to watch a friend's child play football in the best of circumstances, and certainly wouldn't bother if there was kind of nonsense in the car. Can't you see your friend without her children?

PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 12:23

SnoopysHoose · 01/01/2025 11:48

@PeppyGreenFinch
You think Channel 4 should show programmes to cater to Aussies?
why not? tv channels are accessed worldwide, should C4 only cater for MC south England? typical MN

And I don’t pay my TV license to benefit viewers worldwide.

BarbaraHoward · 01/01/2025 12:47

sonjadog · 01/01/2025 12:22

Just to add a little fuel to the fire.... while it is used in spoken English in Scotland and NI, is it also correct in written English? It is a long, long time since I was at school in NI, but I remember being told that we had to write "got" even if we said "gotten". Although that may well have changed since I was at school.

I grew up south of the border, I can't remember but I'm fairly sure got would've been corrected to gotten. I'd certainly never heard anything against the word until I joined MN.

rainbowunicorn · 01/01/2025 12:50

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:37

I’m Scottish. It’s used here all the time. From what I saw, people were saying ‘gotten’ is not used in England. England is not Britain, but rather part of it.

This. Gotten is used in Scotland all the time. I hate this presumption that if something is done or not done in England then it is the case for the whole of the UK.
There was a thread last year full of English people stating as fact that the world Outwith was a made up word not used in Britain. It is literally used all the time in Scotland, often in legal documents but no matter how it was explained these posters just refused to believe that it was correct.

ShelfyElfy · 01/01/2025 12:58

Sprogonthetyne · 01/01/2025 11:12

I completely understand why you would want to be in the front, but also understand why the situation might have been difficult for someone who is neurodiverse.

My autistic/PDA DC would be completely fine with a low key "could you hop in the back, X is bigger so needs more room" but would really struggle with what seems to have become a power struggle situation where they 'have to' move for you. The repeated reminders over days that this was going to happen and they had no control over it would only increase the anxiety, so by the time it happened they would be at fight/flight/freeze stage, with no control over that.

The unexpected change of plan (you not coming with them when they thought you would be) would then cause further distress to the already disregulated child, and then once they had processed all that, probably the self loathing would kick in that they had ruined the day because their brain wouldn't let them do the thing they needed to do (and my well have wanted to do but couldn't). Then more anxiety that you wouldn't be their friend anymore and it would be all their fault.

If it was my family I would not have got your text when we got there because we wouldn't have got there. My DC would be in no state for a football match after all that and I'd have been far to busy trying to calm them down and keep them safe to be looking at my phone.

Obviously non of that would be your fault but your friend has spent the last decade anticipating and avoiding things that might trigger a meltdown, so it's become second nature to her and she maybe forgets that it's not to other people. Personally I think your friend should have reconised that lifts weren't working anymore arranged to meet you there in advance, but hindsight is 20:20 and all that.

But the child manages to sit in the back when it's for his dad to sit in the front, so why not the OP? Being ND isn't a get out of jail free card.

RawBloomers · 01/01/2025 13:03

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 08:56

Of gotten isn't common parlance
Have gotten is correct grammatically (if you are using American English)
Gotten has no place in English English.

Tell Shakespeare. Gotten has been around since the Middle Ages. It’s uncommon in most areas of the UK now (as I said, language changes) but not all. To say it has no place in English English is incorrect.

Also irrelevant as, though this is an English based forum, it isn’t limited to grammatically correct English English. If you really can’t read around a phrase like “of gotten” to discern the meaning you’re goin to struggle using most English language Internet forums.

rainbowunicorn · 01/01/2025 13:05

PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 12:23

And I don’t pay my TV license to benefit viewers worldwide.

You don't pay your TV licence for anything other than BBC channels. The post you are quoting is about chanel 4 stopping showing something. What has that got to do with your TV licence?

PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 13:07

rainbowunicorn · 01/01/2025 13:05

You don't pay your TV licence for anything other than BBC channels. The post you are quoting is about chanel 4 stopping showing something. What has that got to do with your TV licence?

Given I can’t watch Channel 4 channels without a TV license, I absolutely would be annoyed if Channel 4 was catering to the foreign market.

Sprogonthetyne · 01/01/2025 13:19

ShelfyElfy · 01/01/2025 12:58

But the child manages to sit in the back when it's for his dad to sit in the front, so why not the OP? Being ND isn't a get out of jail free card.

For mine at least, how things are asked is often more important then what is been asked, so it would be more about the power struggle dynamic then who sits where. The farther presumably knows how to navigate it in a way the kid can cope with, while the op doesn't.

That's not a criticism of the op, they shouldn't have to and it's totally on the parents for allowing a situation to develop where the op needed to be making the request when it was clearly going to cause issues. But they probably are so use to choosing words carefully that they don't realise when they're doing it, so then were surprised when the op didn't/couldn't.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/01/2025 13:23

rainbowunicorn · 01/01/2025 12:50

This. Gotten is used in Scotland all the time. I hate this presumption that if something is done or not done in England then it is the case for the whole of the UK.
There was a thread last year full of English people stating as fact that the world Outwith was a made up word not used in Britain. It is literally used all the time in Scotland, often in legal documents but no matter how it was explained these posters just refused to believe that it was correct.

Is "gotten" used in Scotland "all the time" ? It's not something I've noticed or seen written.

Outwith of course is a word.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/01/2025 13:27

rainbowunicorn · 01/01/2025 13:05

You don't pay your TV licence for anything other than BBC channels. The post you are quoting is about chanel 4 stopping showing something. What has that got to do with your TV licence?

You need a TV licence to watch live television on ITV and Channel 4.

slightlydistrac · 01/01/2025 13:29

The little sod ought to do as he's bloody well told, otherwise he doesn't get taken anywhere at all. No child of 10 should be allowed to rule the roost like this, suspected ADHD or not.

The friend seriously cocked up by allowing him to sit in the front to start with.

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 13:29

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/01/2025 13:23

Is "gotten" used in Scotland "all the time" ? It's not something I've noticed or seen written.

Outwith of course is a word.

Yes, it is common. In my experience as a Scottish person who has lived in various areas across Scotland for the vast majority of my 40+ years.

Other words that are also cracking:

  • baw-faced
  • thrawn
  • wee
  • pure (as in ‘very’)
  • swithering
  • flit (as in ‘move house’)
  • outwith
  • using ‘but’ at the end of a sentence.
sonjadog · 01/01/2025 13:31

I love this thread. Car lifts, child-raising, Aussie Rules, variants of English and TV licences all at the same time.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 01/01/2025 13:38

@IdylicDay

https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/is-the-word-gotten-really-that-rotten/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/getproofed.com.au/writing-tips/word-choice-got-vs-gotten/amp/

These sources would disagree that it's common, or even valid.

Alittlecake · 01/01/2025 13:45

Sprogonthetyne · 01/01/2025 13:19

For mine at least, how things are asked is often more important then what is been asked, so it would be more about the power struggle dynamic then who sits where. The farther presumably knows how to navigate it in a way the kid can cope with, while the op doesn't.

That's not a criticism of the op, they shouldn't have to and it's totally on the parents for allowing a situation to develop where the op needed to be making the request when it was clearly going to cause issues. But they probably are so use to choosing words carefully that they don't realise when they're doing it, so then were surprised when the op didn't/couldn't.

He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok?

I agree that it’s totally on the mum for allowing the situation to develop but it sounds as if was mainly the mum who was telling him to move, not OP. I can imagine OP didn’t say much at all, before eventually going to drive in her own car.

So it’s not really about OPs choice of words.

Alittlecake · 01/01/2025 13:51

I don’t feel taken advantage of but I am thinking this is a sign that I don’t always need to be her immediate go to / plus one for help, and I might step back a bit with the days out and just socialise in group settings for a while.

This is a good plan moving forward. If she’s actually your friend and not just taking advantage of you she’ll be ok with this.

Somehow I ended up being a bit of a “support human” for a childhood friend over many years until I wasn’t able to continue due to finally prioritising my own mental health and finances. When I began to pull back she initially resisted and continued to make her usual demands on me.

Eventually when she realised I wasn’t going to be there in the same way any longer, she faded away. So yeah that kind of shows what our friendship was all about.

Sprogonthetyne · 01/01/2025 13:59

Alittlecake · 01/01/2025 13:45

He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok?

I agree that it’s totally on the mum for allowing the situation to develop but it sounds as if was mainly the mum who was telling him to move, not OP. I can imagine OP didn’t say much at all, before eventually going to drive in her own car.

So it’s not really about OPs choice of words.

I'd say the situation was already out of hand by the time it got to that point, though the poor mum does seem to be out of her depth and overwhelmed (which every SEN parents has been at some point). I was referring to the op making a point of telling the kid last week and again on Monday that he would have to move for her. I appreciate it was well meaning but to my kids that would have made it into a bigger thing then it needed to be.

TBF I suspect the problem stems from the kid been in the front some of the time, that allows uncertainty to creep in. Especially as the op has sat in the back before, so to him, why shouldn't she now?

If I were the mum I'd keep him in the back even when front seat is empty, so every journey was the same. Possibly make a big thing of ot been his space with his choice of seat belt cover or his things in a pouch on the back of the seat in front (or whatever would work to make that space his)

CeceliaImrie · 01/01/2025 14:36

YADNU. your friend is being unfair to you, I wouldn't be sitting in the back of a small car for that amount of time either, I'd barely be able to stand up again to if I did!

Her son will be running things as he gets older if she continues down that road.

You're simply being sensible and pragmatic taking yourself own car.

I wouldn't be going at all personally, particularly when she left you flailing around with no address after you'd repeatedly texted her asking for it.

PierceMorgansChin · 01/01/2025 15:20

Hibernating80 · 01/01/2025 08:37

I feel sorry for the mum. You just made her life more difficult and gave her more emotional stress because you wanted to control the situation. I wouldn't be inviting you into the car again and I wouldn't go out of my way for you.

That 'poor mum' happily accepts handouts and free babysitting. She's clearly a grifter and a poor parent to boot

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