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Should I of gotten in the car?

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CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:16

I have a friend with 2 kids, ages 5 and 10, her 10 year old has additional needs and can be quite hard work (suspected ADHD).

When we go out together, she has to drive because of the car seat requirement for her 5 year old. Lately her 10 year old will not get out of the front seat when picking me up, I’ve had to resort to sitting in the back with the 5 year old and her car is not overly roomy in the back seat. The last time I was in the back for 1 hour 20 mins each way and it was super uncomfortable on my back. In the past when I have managed to get in the front seat before him, he has kicked the chair constantly on the drive back.

Last week I was asked if I wanted to go watch their football game, so I said yes but that I needed to sit in the front seat. I reminded him of this on Monday when I bumped into them down the street. They came to pick me up this morning for 7.45am. He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok? So I shut the door and said I’ll drive my own car and meet you there. She was a bit put out by this but I said my backs not been that great and I don’t want to sit in the back for 45 mins and he’s clearly not going to move.

So she left, I got in my car, but then realised that I didn’t know which football oval they were playing on. I tried calling her but no answer so I sent a text saying I needed the oval name and address and set off to the area I thought it was in. 15 mins into the drive I stopped for a takeaway coffee, no text response from her, called again and no answer. So I sent another text and said I’ll have to give it a miss as not sure which oval, and I went home.

I got a message from her at 11am saying it was a shame I missed out on their great day out and next time I should be a little bit more tolerant, because I know how their son can be, and that flexibility goes a long way in a friendship. I’ve responded that from now on it just may be easier if I drive myself, and that I’ve always been accomodating to her family’s needs, but the shouting at 7.30am was just to much for me.

Should I of gotten in her car? AIBU here to say I’ll drive myself from now on, so I can avoid all the drama? It does mean we can’t catch up in the car but to be honest he’s usually talking over the top of everyone and cuts you off so it’s not like the conversation is flowing well. I do enjoy spending time with them and she says she appreciates the extra hand as we typically do kid things when her husband is not available, and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all, and my own entry into events. My children are in their 20s now so maybe I’m less tolerant. I do value our friendship, we’re the same age but I had my kids at 25, 27 and 30 and she had hers at 37 and 42 - we’re both 48 this year.

TLDR - would you sit in the back seat of a car if a child wouldn’t move for you? Or drive yourself.

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PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 09:40

YANBU to not want to sit in the back, but the 10yo is not BU not to want to sit there either, it sounds uncomfortable.

Your friend was rude, she should have accepted you needed to ride in your own car for comfort immediately.

LuluBlakey1 · 01/01/2025 09:40

The only thing that could tempt me to go and watch a 10 year old's football game at 7.45am would be if it was my 10 year old I was watching. I wouldn't be going to watch one that kicked me in the back for a whole journey because he couldn't sit in the front seat. Suspected ADHD is no excuse for his awful behaviour in those circumstances. She needs to learn how to manage him better. If you are kind enough to go again, take your own car.

Bubblesfizz · 01/01/2025 09:40

Fed up with the ADHD card being played for everything. Doesn’t excuse a brat of a child

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:40

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:37

I’m Scottish. It’s used here all the time. From what I saw, people were saying ‘gotten’ is not used in England. England is not Britain, but rather part of it.

In speech or in writing? Because I work with a lot of Scottish documents and I’ve never seen the word written down.

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 09:41

Gonners · 01/01/2025 09:29

You gave that away in your OP with the reference to the "football oval". That's proper footy!

I did woder if it was Aussie Rules when OP said oval!
The only decent sport in the world. And the best-fitting kit!
So sad that Channel 4 stopped showing it here given so many Australians live here!

Shudacudawuda · 01/01/2025 09:42

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:37

I’m Scottish. It’s used here all the time. From what I saw, people were saying ‘gotten’ is not used in England. England is not Britain, but rather part of it.

Where in Scotland? Because I lived in Glasgow a very long time and never really heard it used there.

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:44

Both.

It is as ubiquitous as the word ‘wee’ in common parlance and I would not bat an eyelid at seeing it written down, especially in an online forum.

I would possibly not use it in an academic essay. But neither would I use the words ‘wee’ or ‘outwith’ in formal writing, though they are part of everyday language here.

CorvusPurpureus · 01/01/2025 09:44

I don't understand what you're getting out of any of this, tbh.

  • You have to give up time to attend your friend's kid's sporting fixture - that sounds fairly dull
  • you regularly pay for food all round
  • you get bounced into the back seat by your friend's dc, even though this does not happen to your friend's dh - ie the dc doesn't expect his dad to surrender the front seat. Just you/his mum's friends.
  • you get chuntered out at for NOT contorting yourself into the back seat
  • you get further reproached for deciding to drive yourself
  • you get even more grief for giving up & heading home - no apology for buggering you about on your weekend

Could you not just meet your mate for a coffee, when her dc are with her dh?

I get that your friend's ds has needs which mean that he might be a handful. I just don't see why you've ended up attached to this outing at all.

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:45

Shudacudawuda · 01/01/2025 09:42

Where in Scotland? Because I lived in Glasgow a very long time and never really heard it used there.

I have lived across Scotland, including Glasgow. Born and bred Scottish, and hear it all the time.

CountryVic · 01/01/2025 09:45

I’m very sorry about how offensive the word gotten appears to be!

I don’t feel taken advantage of but I am thinking this is a sign that I don’t always need to be her immediate go to / plus one for help, and I might step back a bit with the days out and just socialise in group settings for a while.

Her son actually invited me to come watch him play. It was a NY event sponsored by 3 country clubs, and quite a massive event numbers wise, was held over 3 ovals at one town, so finding which one they were at was important. If we start needing to take seperate cars I’ll probably go to less days out, because then I would feel like unpaid help vs going out with a friend and her kids.

Our husbands are work colleagues and have been busy today with bushfire control and my elder 2 children were helping too, so I ended up going to the local hall and helping with food prep and meals, just got home and all the comments about my grammar!

I do appreciate all the comments, not the ones about me being a shit friend though because I’d like to think I am kind and fair. Happy New Year 🥳

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Discombobble · 01/01/2025 09:45

SocksAndTheCity · 01/01/2025 09:30

But it doesn't matter where it originated? It is not currently used in British English any more than 'thou art' for 'you are', and (as I suspect you're very well aware), the OP is unlikely to have used the word because she wants to bring back archaic language.

The thread title is a grammatical car crash, and that has been established. None of it matters to the bloody thread.

Thou art - or ‘th’art’ is indeed used in large areas of England! People in different areas use language in different ways - or are we all still aspiring to Received Pronunciation?

YourGladSquid · 01/01/2025 09:47

So the issue is the ‘gotten’ and not the ‘should I of’?

WasThatACorner · 01/01/2025 09:48

Kids with ADHD need support to manage their impulse control, they don't need to be given everything they want because it's easier for everyone around them.

"Don't forget DS, we are collecting lovely friend and then we will let her sit in the front as she is a guest"

"DS I'm going to have to pull over the car now because you are kicking lively friends seat. I'll park up and call your coach to let him know you won't be at the first game"

PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 09:49

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 09:41

I did woder if it was Aussie Rules when OP said oval!
The only decent sport in the world. And the best-fitting kit!
So sad that Channel 4 stopped showing it here given so many Australians live here!

You think Channel 4 should show programmes to cater to Aussies? Confused

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:50

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:44

Both.

It is as ubiquitous as the word ‘wee’ in common parlance and I would not bat an eyelid at seeing it written down, especially in an online forum.

I would possibly not use it in an academic essay. But neither would I use the words ‘wee’ or ‘outwith’ in formal writing, though they are part of everyday language here.

The difference is that it is used in formal American English - it is the proper past tense of ‘get’ and if someone used ‘should I have got in the car’ in an essay, it would be corrected by the English teacher to ‘should I have gotten in the car’.

Which part of Scotland? I lived in the Aberdeenshire area for several years and don’t remember hearing it but I fully accept different areas of the country use different dialects (I was in Yorkshire recently and there were multiple words I had to work out by context).

Wilfrida1 · 01/01/2025 09:50

I get really incensed by people who feel they have a right to the front seat in MY car. I have had friends being competitive over who gets the most car sick in the back!

You knew what he is like about the front seat, so you should have driven yourself if you didn't want to go in the back You weren't entitled to that seat, even if you had talked to his mother beforehand.

Congratulations, you probably made her day a bit harder with the meltdown he had.

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:51

I am writing an assignment today (woe!) , @CountryVic and as a Scot who uses ‘gotten’ in everyday language, may try to inveigle/shoehorn it into my essay in your honour. 😄

HardenYourHeart · 01/01/2025 09:51

Yeah, I think the focus on the grammar is a bit weird. I wish people would start their own threads for that.

OP, I think you may appreciate this language expert:

He is a big defender of language "mistakes". Someone posted one of his videos a few days ago and his channel is lovely.

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stripypanda100 · 01/01/2025 09:52

Iwantamarshmallowman
parenting a child with additional needs sucks and your friend wanted your company. I think you were massivly unreasonable and quite entitled. you can't insist on sitting in the front of someone elses car. I hope she finds a better friend.

OP didn't insist... she asked and from what i've read it was the 10 year old kicking off and insisting he had the front seat (even causing the neighbours disruption)...
like another PP wrote if the friend can respect her husbands wishes to remove child from front seat why not afford her friend the same respect🤷‍♀️
All these SEN/ADHD/ND/ASD and whatever else i may have missed are just ways for people to create /own acceptable tolerances for the rest of society nowadays... i sympathise with anyone with additional needs as 2 of my 4 children have them but i would never expect them to show no respect or manners for everyone else around them...the world has gone nuts 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️probably because of parents that feel their kids behaviour is totally acceptable nowadays

CountryVic · 01/01/2025 09:52

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 09:41

I did woder if it was Aussie Rules when OP said oval!
The only decent sport in the world. And the best-fitting kit!
So sad that Channel 4 stopped showing it here given so many Australians live here!

lol yes, I live in country Victoria, we have a family farm, wheat and sheep, but live in town as I didn’t want my 3 away for boarding. I think UK football is soccer, and ours is Aussie Rules AFL, there are no soccer clubs near us, but we have cricket and netball, pony club and every month they run Old Time Dances at the village Hall 😂

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Supssups · 01/01/2025 09:53

@CountryVic please ignore all the snidey comments, you sound an incredible friend and as if you go above and beyond for this family.I'm parenting an ADHD kid myself, the clue to this story is that the dad himself sits in the front...the mum is able to instill that boundary and if she can't step up in other situations then she is likely to raise a kid who has no respect for other people...being ND doesn't automatically mean you cant learn boundaries. how is his schooling going as heading to secondary means taking instructions every day from teachers.your solution of driving separately and taking a step back seems far more sensible if she cant do this.

andthat · 01/01/2025 09:53

PeppyGreenFinch · 01/01/2025 09:49

You think Channel 4 should show programmes to cater to Aussies? Confused

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BarbaraHoward · 01/01/2025 09:53

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 09:06

It is defunct in UK. Got is an ugly word, and largely unnecessary. 'I've got three apples' is the same as saying 'I have got 3 apples' (clumsy); 'I have 3 apples' is both brief and grammatically correct
Apologies @CountryVic for the slight derailment. A pp mentioned gotten, and it's escalated! Yes, it should move to Pedant's Corner...

Gotten is standard in Ireland and Northern Ireland, and thus is used in the UK (see also Scotland).

OP, you do a huge amount for this family. If you're happy with that then that's really lovely of you, but you're right to put your own physical comfort first. Hopefully your friend has gotten (Wink) that point now.

pasturesgreen · 01/01/2025 09:53

Total non issue. Just drive your own car going forward. And for the love of God, please stop subsidising everyone: "I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all". Take turns paying.

andthat · 01/01/2025 09:54

@CountryVic you sound like a lovely, thoughtful friend and I’m glad you’ve resolved things.