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Should I of gotten in the car?

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CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:16

I have a friend with 2 kids, ages 5 and 10, her 10 year old has additional needs and can be quite hard work (suspected ADHD).

When we go out together, she has to drive because of the car seat requirement for her 5 year old. Lately her 10 year old will not get out of the front seat when picking me up, I’ve had to resort to sitting in the back with the 5 year old and her car is not overly roomy in the back seat. The last time I was in the back for 1 hour 20 mins each way and it was super uncomfortable on my back. In the past when I have managed to get in the front seat before him, he has kicked the chair constantly on the drive back.

Last week I was asked if I wanted to go watch their football game, so I said yes but that I needed to sit in the front seat. I reminded him of this on Monday when I bumped into them down the street. They came to pick me up this morning for 7.45am. He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok? So I shut the door and said I’ll drive my own car and meet you there. She was a bit put out by this but I said my backs not been that great and I don’t want to sit in the back for 45 mins and he’s clearly not going to move.

So she left, I got in my car, but then realised that I didn’t know which football oval they were playing on. I tried calling her but no answer so I sent a text saying I needed the oval name and address and set off to the area I thought it was in. 15 mins into the drive I stopped for a takeaway coffee, no text response from her, called again and no answer. So I sent another text and said I’ll have to give it a miss as not sure which oval, and I went home.

I got a message from her at 11am saying it was a shame I missed out on their great day out and next time I should be a little bit more tolerant, because I know how their son can be, and that flexibility goes a long way in a friendship. I’ve responded that from now on it just may be easier if I drive myself, and that I’ve always been accomodating to her family’s needs, but the shouting at 7.30am was just to much for me.

Should I of gotten in her car? AIBU here to say I’ll drive myself from now on, so I can avoid all the drama? It does mean we can’t catch up in the car but to be honest he’s usually talking over the top of everyone and cuts you off so it’s not like the conversation is flowing well. I do enjoy spending time with them and she says she appreciates the extra hand as we typically do kid things when her husband is not available, and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all, and my own entry into events. My children are in their 20s now so maybe I’m less tolerant. I do value our friendship, we’re the same age but I had my kids at 25, 27 and 30 and she had hers at 37 and 42 - we’re both 48 this year.

TLDR - would you sit in the back seat of a car if a child wouldn’t move for you? Or drive yourself.

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nyefedup · 01/01/2025 09:14

AlwaysGinPlease · 01/01/2025 09:11

This is one friendship that I would immediately end. She's a cheeky fucker and rude to boot!

Agreed! OP she sounds like she's taking you for a ride. You buy them all lunch regularly, you step in for days out when her husband isn't around to support, you babysit for her, and she whines at you about being "more tolerant" when her 10 year old behaves unacceptably? After ignoring your texts about where to go to meet them? Awful behaviour. You sound lovely and she does not.

SaySomethingMan · 01/01/2025 09:15

Your friend needs to work on her son’s behaviour while he’s still young. He’ll only get bigger and stronger.
She could’ve prepared him better at home, and got him to sit in the back before driving to yours. When she realised he wasn’t moving, she should’ve let you know so you could drive yourself.
If you’d like to travel together, she can let you know if he agrees to sit in the back when they set off, if he doesn’t, you drive yourself.
I’d not ride in a car where my seat was kicked all the way tbh.

Sounds like she doesn’t have a child-friendly car either.

You’re very kind to babysit a child who is such hard work. It’s very difficult for her as the mum
of child who behaves like that. She’s lucky to have you. Hopefully, she’ll find the right help
for him soon.

Honestlyhonay · 01/01/2025 09:16

Farken hell, every bloody thread involves “suspected ND” children

No OP YANBU, at all.

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:16

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 08:57

Not true at all: https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/is-the-word-gotten-really-that-rotten/#:~:text=This%20humble%20word%20originally%20hails,in%20some%20British%20English%20dialects.

and

"Gotten is, in fact, an English word that was in use in England at the time America was colonized by the English. It is found in the King James version of the Bible. Over the centuries, the Americans kept on using it and the English did not. Using it is not incorrect English, certainly not in a book set in the Middle Ages.
Origin: 1150-1200(v.) Middle English geten < Old Norse geta to obtain, beget; cognate with Old English –gietan (> Middle English yeten), German-gessen, in vergessen to forget; (noun) Middle English: something gotten, offspring, derivative of the v. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gotten
"
https://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten/

It originally comes from England.

Your actual quote says it’s not used in Britain? Which is what everyone has been saying?

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:20

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:16

Your actual quote says it’s not used in Britain? Which is what everyone has been saying?

My point is that it originates from England. Not America, as many have wrongly said.

Bushmillsbabe · 01/01/2025 09:23

Your friend could plan slightly better, such as sitting the 5 year old behind the passenger seat so 10 year old isn't kicking your seat.
Or messaging you as they were leaving theirs, 'sorry, I couldn't get X to sit in the back seat could you meet us there, the address is .....'

What do they do when her DH is out with them? Does DH sit in the back too?

Tbh, 10 is only just old enough to sit in the front. I do not let my tall (145cm) 9 year old sit in the front unless it's the only option - such as I am giving a lift to 3 younger/shorter children. Having worked in a major paediatric trauma centre, I know that the back seat is a far safer place for a child to be until at least 150cm tall, due to both height and bine structure - a 150cm adult is safer in front than a 150cm 10 year old as their bones haven't fused.

Discombobble · 01/01/2025 09:25

BeLilacSloth · 01/01/2025 02:11

You put your needs above a child with additional needs?? I doubt this friend will ever want to see you again.

Additional needs does not require the world to bend itself around you - having ADHD does not preclude learning to consider the needs of others

Curtainqueen · 01/01/2025 09:26

BellissimoGecko · 01/01/2025 01:23

Child with suspected ADHD, do you mean?

Is that an excuse for rudeness then?

StScholastica · 01/01/2025 09:28

Rosscameasdoody · 01/01/2025 09:11

Why shouldn’t a ND child be taught that rude behaviour is unacceptable ? He’s clearly capable of understanding that because he doesn’t behave this way towards his dad. And OP’s friend is far more at fault for driving off and leaving OP not knowing where they were going. The subsequent lecture was also totally uncalled for. She sounds quite rude herself.

Where did I suggest that ND kids shouldn't be taught right from wrong?
The post I was replying to says "I can't believe she can't quickly move her child to the back seat".
Anyone who has ever worked with or parented a ND child will tell you that it just isn't that simple. What is the mother expected to do? Pick up a 10 year old and move him?
An effective strategy would be to start looking at the reasons why he doesn't want mum's friend to come along, maybe he has sensory issues and can't cope with her perfume or the sound of her voice?
Who knows? But it isn't fair to blame the mother for not having a "nice" obedient child.

Shudacudawuda · 01/01/2025 09:28

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:20

My point is that it originates from England. Not America, as many have wrongly said.

I don't think anyone has said it orginates from America have they? I haven't been back to check so happy to be corrected.

What is being pointed out is that it is (currently) USED in America, not England.

Gonners · 01/01/2025 09:29

CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:51

Ohh, that’s my Aussie lingo, grammar is not my forte.

Noted for future reference.

You gave that away in your OP with the reference to the "football oval". That's proper footy!

stripypanda100 · 01/01/2025 09:30

@Alittlecake
Defo agree
how is this kid expected to learn boundaries 🤷‍♀️
yes he has SN (although undiagnosed) but he still needs to learn his parents are the ones in control, he can do it for his dad.. why not when mum asks???
OP i think your friend is defo taking advantage of u... do go along to meet up and maybe even use your own car but don't be buying the family their meals/food?? maybe an odd drink but does your friend not ever offer to buy you the odd meal/food?
she seems very one sided and as for the babysitting.... i think she is actually downright cheeky to ask after her comment on you should be more tolerable of her son...
I would step right back and only meet up on a one to one basis or just tag along for a game when you can b assed to drive yourself (but make sure you get the address first) cuz it seems your friend may want to "punish" you further another time ....
If that's a friend i would go without

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:30

StScholastica · 01/01/2025 09:28

Where did I suggest that ND kids shouldn't be taught right from wrong?
The post I was replying to says "I can't believe she can't quickly move her child to the back seat".
Anyone who has ever worked with or parented a ND child will tell you that it just isn't that simple. What is the mother expected to do? Pick up a 10 year old and move him?
An effective strategy would be to start looking at the reasons why he doesn't want mum's friend to come along, maybe he has sensory issues and can't cope with her perfume or the sound of her voice?
Who knows? But it isn't fair to blame the mother for not having a "nice" obedient child.

Or, maybe Occam's Razor, the most logical answer is usually the answer; that he is badly behaved and badly disciplined.

Debtfreegoals · 01/01/2025 09:30

You’re not unreasonable at all

SocksAndTheCity · 01/01/2025 09:30

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:20

My point is that it originates from England. Not America, as many have wrongly said.

But it doesn't matter where it originated? It is not currently used in British English any more than 'thou art' for 'you are', and (as I suspect you're very well aware), the OP is unlikely to have used the word because she wants to bring back archaic language.

The thread title is a grammatical car crash, and that has been established. None of it matters to the bloody thread.

HardenYourHeart · 01/01/2025 09:31

Vegandiva · 01/01/2025 01:22

You absolutely were not unreasonable not to have got in the car, and I wouldn’t even do anything with that bratty rude ten year old, let alone within the same vehicle. She should be apologising for not ensuring he was in the back as agreed and didn’t kick the seat! Especially since you just said also you were helping with the kids and paying for things!

100%

She should have made sure she was in the back. Being "flexible", as she put it, goes both way and it seems that you have been bending over backwards (pardon the pun) to accommodate her situation, including providing her with an extra set of hands when her husband wasn't available. Considering this happened frequently, it constitutes a massive favor. The very least she could do is apologize.

Reading the rest of you post, it seems this friend has been taking you for granted, even to the point of taking advantage.

sonjadog · 01/01/2025 09:31

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:20

My point is that it originates from England. Not America, as many have wrongly said.

Was anyone talking about the origination of it except you? I think everyone was talking about use in Modern English (although I haven't checked so I may be wrong) rather than Middle English. It would be odd if the OP was writing in Middle English...

MyDeftDuck · 01/01/2025 09:32

Although I have commented upthread, I just had to add............it was the 'OF' in place of 'HAVE' that irritated me........the GOTTEN I could live with. Just saying

CleftChin · 01/01/2025 09:33

Who knows? But it isn't fair to blame the mother for not having a "nice" obedient child.

Every time that child 'wins' it re-enforces the problem.

I do have one 'nice obedient' child, and one who would take every liberty possible if I hadn't been working on him since he was first able to stamp his little feet and try to refuse to do something he had to do.

Funnily enough, he also likes to sit in the front seat, and when his older brother was away for a bit, and he did it every day, he felt entitled to be in that front seat, and I had to do the work again to remind him that if grandad was in the car, he had to sit in the back. In fact, if I told him to, he had to sit in the back, no matter the reason. It was hard, and there was more than one situation where I just wouldn't move the car until he was where I said he should be, but that's what you have to do. I understand pick your battles, but this is a battle you have to pick for everyone's comfort and safety.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 01/01/2025 09:34

As a parent, the chd would have had to sit in the back, without kicking seat. Lack of parenting.

Porkyporkchop · 01/01/2025 09:36

Your friend can’t control her spoilt nasty kid. I wouldn’t go anywhere with them ever again.

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:36

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:20

My point is that it originates from England. Not America, as many have wrongly said.

Nobody has said it originates from America, we’ve said it’s used in America not the UK today (not on the Middle Ages). You are arguing against yourself.

Curtainqueen · 01/01/2025 09:37

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 08:31

It should be worded "should I have gotten into the car".

It should be worded “are you actually answering OP’s question or just being a patronising old bore?”

knowing the background and knowing the child is going to kick off, I wouldn’t be getting in the car, no.

Butchyrestingface · 01/01/2025 09:37

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:16

Your actual quote says it’s not used in Britain? Which is what everyone has been saying?

I’m Scottish. It’s used here all the time. From what I saw, people were saying ‘gotten’ is not used in England. England is not Britain, but rather part of it.

Porcuporpoise · 01/01/2025 09:38

NewNameNoelle · 01/01/2025 01:23

I’d sit in the back if a child with additional needs needed to be in the front, yes.

As an adult I wouldn’t make it a big deal / power struggle. I would agree in advance to drive and meet them there (I would also find out the address in advance)

You are putting your friend in a difficult position when her life is probably already difficult enough. Go in the back or agree in advance that you will drive yourself, hopefully this eases any issues and your friendship continues.

Edited

The OP was really clear with her friend that, if they travelled together, she would need to sit in the front passenger seat. The friend had every opportunity to say "actually, sorry, but that wont work" if her child did need to be in front.

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