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Should I of gotten in the car?

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CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:16

I have a friend with 2 kids, ages 5 and 10, her 10 year old has additional needs and can be quite hard work (suspected ADHD).

When we go out together, she has to drive because of the car seat requirement for her 5 year old. Lately her 10 year old will not get out of the front seat when picking me up, I’ve had to resort to sitting in the back with the 5 year old and her car is not overly roomy in the back seat. The last time I was in the back for 1 hour 20 mins each way and it was super uncomfortable on my back. In the past when I have managed to get in the front seat before him, he has kicked the chair constantly on the drive back.

Last week I was asked if I wanted to go watch their football game, so I said yes but that I needed to sit in the front seat. I reminded him of this on Monday when I bumped into them down the street. They came to pick me up this morning for 7.45am. He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok? So I shut the door and said I’ll drive my own car and meet you there. She was a bit put out by this but I said my backs not been that great and I don’t want to sit in the back for 45 mins and he’s clearly not going to move.

So she left, I got in my car, but then realised that I didn’t know which football oval they were playing on. I tried calling her but no answer so I sent a text saying I needed the oval name and address and set off to the area I thought it was in. 15 mins into the drive I stopped for a takeaway coffee, no text response from her, called again and no answer. So I sent another text and said I’ll have to give it a miss as not sure which oval, and I went home.

I got a message from her at 11am saying it was a shame I missed out on their great day out and next time I should be a little bit more tolerant, because I know how their son can be, and that flexibility goes a long way in a friendship. I’ve responded that from now on it just may be easier if I drive myself, and that I’ve always been accomodating to her family’s needs, but the shouting at 7.30am was just to much for me.

Should I of gotten in her car? AIBU here to say I’ll drive myself from now on, so I can avoid all the drama? It does mean we can’t catch up in the car but to be honest he’s usually talking over the top of everyone and cuts you off so it’s not like the conversation is flowing well. I do enjoy spending time with them and she says she appreciates the extra hand as we typically do kid things when her husband is not available, and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all, and my own entry into events. My children are in their 20s now so maybe I’m less tolerant. I do value our friendship, we’re the same age but I had my kids at 25, 27 and 30 and she had hers at 37 and 42 - we’re both 48 this year.

TLDR - would you sit in the back seat of a car if a child wouldn’t move for you? Or drive yourself.

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Barrenfieldoffucks · 01/01/2025 08:55

NewNameNoelle · 01/01/2025 01:23

I’d sit in the back if a child with additional needs needed to be in the front, yes.

As an adult I wouldn’t make it a big deal / power struggle. I would agree in advance to drive and meet them there (I would also find out the address in advance)

You are putting your friend in a difficult position when her life is probably already difficult enough. Go in the back or agree in advance that you will drive yourself, hopefully this eases any issues and your friendship continues.

Edited

Agreed. I fail to understand how a modern car with one child in the back wouldn't have room for one average sized adult to sit comfortably...DH is nigh on 6'5" a d can manage in most cars.

Obviously you're within your rights to do whatever is comfortable for you, but as a parent with a child under investigation for ASD, and having worked with lots of children with similar needs, seeing it as brattiness or poor behaviour won't help.

You knew what would happen, you just thought that it was a behavioural issue and that by your taking a firm hand to it, telling him in advance etc, you'd get your way. By quelle surprise, it didn't work and kicked off a whole load of stress for all involved.

Could you not have googled where they were playing?

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 08:56

RawBloomers · 01/01/2025 01:40

An Internet forum probably isn’t the place for you, then. Even the same language is used differently in different areas, and it changes over time. If really you don’t know such common uses as “of gotten” and you can’t gain meaning from context you’re going to struggle.

Of gotten isn't common parlance
Have gotten is correct grammatically (if you are using American English)
Gotten has no place in English English.

olympicsrock · 01/01/2025 08:56

I also think that you are an amazing supportive friend - and too willing to bend over backwards for your friend.

I have no idea why she thought that an early morning start watching someone else kid play football would be a fun day out for you OR why on earth you agreed .

She was wrong for not ensuring her child was in the back before picking you up and if she really couldn’t or wouldn’t she should have apologised to OP and said “ I completely understand that you might want to not come” . But to waste OPs time by not sending the address and then texting to berate OP… AND push to ensure OP will still babysit! Wow! She is looking down the wrong end of the telescope.

She needs to switch her younger child’s car seat to the passenger side if she wants to put a guest in her car . But I guess she doesn’t like being kicked in the back of her seat either…

Find a new friend OP. This friendship is one sided.

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 08:57

Shudacudawuda · 01/01/2025 08:54

No, gotten is American English, in England we would say 'got'.

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/eb/qa/difference-between-have-got-and-have-gotten

Not true at all: https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/is-the-word-gotten-really-that-rotten/#:~:text=This%20humble%20word%20originally%20hails,in%20some%20British%20English%20dialects.

and

"Gotten is, in fact, an English word that was in use in England at the time America was colonized by the English. It is found in the King James version of the Bible. Over the centuries, the Americans kept on using it and the English did not. Using it is not incorrect English, certainly not in a book set in the Middle Ages.
Origin: 1150-1200(v.) Middle English geten < Old Norse geta to obtain, beget; cognate with Old English –gietan (> Middle English yeten), German-gessen, in vergessen to forget; (noun) Middle English: something gotten, offspring, derivative of the v. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gotten
"
https://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten/

It originally comes from England.

Is the word ‘gotten’ really that rotten? - Macquarie

The word get is a present tense verb, generally meaning to obtain, gain or acquire. All up, there are 115 different definitions recorded in the dictionary! The past tense is get, though the form gotten is gaining some currency in Australia. Grammatical...

https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/is-the-word-gotten-really-that-rotten#:~:text=This%20humble%20word%20originally%20hails,in%20some%20British%20English%20dialects.

Shardlake63 · 01/01/2025 08:58

Potentialmadcatlady · 01/01/2025 07:37

This. She is making a very big rod for her own back. ADHD is not an excuse for allowing a child to be a brat and get his own way by screaming and shouting.
I say this as a parent of a now adult son with adhd and asd. Would it have made my life easier in the short run to let him sit in front seat- yep. Would I have let him- nope. If you don’t put in the hard work and help them then they are heading for big trouble as adults

Totally agree.
I note he manages to sit in the back when his dad is in the car, ND or not. So, why can't he sit in the back when OP is in the car?
This just smacks of rude entitled behaviour, which he is being allowed to get away with.

NoBodyIdRatherBe · 01/01/2025 08:59

what does this friend do for you? Sounds like you pay for more than your fair share and you help her a lot. Does she return the favour? ND children need boundaries too. Your friend could have followed through with consequences for his behaviour but instead she chose to ignore your messages and leave you stranded. What lesson has he learned from that?

TheJackalsJackal · 01/01/2025 08:59

Hibernating80 · 01/01/2025 08:37

I feel sorry for the mum. You just made her life more difficult and gave her more emotional stress because you wanted to control the situation. I wouldn't be inviting you into the car again and I wouldn't go out of my way for you.

Is this a joke?

Tia86 · 01/01/2025 08:59

Sounds like your friend is having trouble managing her son's behaviour. I would not expect to sit in the back knowing he will do this if his dad is there, as this to me is not down to his possible needs, but him just trying to cause trouble.

If he always sat in the front and a parent had to sit in the back, then fair enough, I would realise the kid clearly has a need and I would accept it.
I think you made it clear before the game you would not sit in the back and the friend agreed. If I was them and knew this would not be possible then I would have said that's not going to happen, maybe drive yourself.

I also think your friend was rude not to call back, I understand she would have been driving but she could have called as soon as she got there or pulled over to check you knew.

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:00

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 08:56

Of gotten isn't common parlance
Have gotten is correct grammatically (if you are using American English)
Gotten has no place in English English.

gotten is original old English English, so yes it does, and should, have a place in the UK. Unfortunately the UK have chosen wrongly to use 'got'.

Zapx · 01/01/2025 09:03

Well done for not going in the back. Driving yourself was exactly the right response imo. If he can manage to go in the back when his Dad is in the car, it’s clearly not a special need, and she needs to set some boundaries.

Rosscameasdoody · 01/01/2025 09:04

BellissimoGecko · 01/01/2025 01:23

Child with suspected ADHD, do you mean?

ND or not he still needs boundaries, and it sounds like his mum is setting herself up for a difficult time by not ensuring he has them. ND isn’t an excuse for rude behaviour - something his mum needs to take on board, especially as it seems he will defer to his dad, so he does have some insight.

StScholastica · 01/01/2025 09:04

Ukholidaysaregreat · 01/01/2025 01:23

She is bonkers. I can't believe she can't quickly move her child to the back seat. Although I don't know how she would stop him kicking you all the way to your destination. What was her explanation for not letting you know where the football match was when you were driving around?

Says a woman who has never parented a child with ASD 😳

yikesanotherbooboo · 01/01/2025 09:06

I would probably have travelled in the back of the car but the best thing to have done would be driving oneself to the venue without all the preamble.

AsTheLightFades · 01/01/2025 09:06

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:00

gotten is original old English English, so yes it does, and should, have a place in the UK. Unfortunately the UK have chosen wrongly to use 'got'.

It is defunct in UK. Got is an ugly word, and largely unnecessary. 'I've got three apples' is the same as saying 'I have got 3 apples' (clumsy); 'I have 3 apples' is both brief and grammatically correct
Apologies @CountryVic for the slight derailment. A pp mentioned gotten, and it's escalated! Yes, it should move to Pedant's Corner...

12345mummy · 01/01/2025 09:06

From a different perspective:
The son is going to football with his Mum so he gets to ride in the front, it’s possibly a fun treat for him when his Dads not there and quality time with his Mum. His Mums friend (who he possibly doesn’t want there) decides to join so he’s expected to sit in the back, when he would normally sit in the front to go to football. He is ND so a change in something that he sees as routine (him sitting in front on way to footie with Mum only) is difficult for him to comprehend.

It’s his football match and his time with his Mum so yes, if you want to tag along OP, just sit in the back. Reminding a ND child when you saw him in the street was not on. Let them have their trip without you OP. If you continue with your friendship please also do some research into ADHD behaviours in children.

Shudacudawuda · 01/01/2025 09:08

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 09:00

gotten is original old English English, so yes it does, and should, have a place in the UK. Unfortunately the UK have chosen wrongly to use 'got'.

It's 2024 not the middle ages, language changes over time, no country speaks English nowadays in the way it was spoken hundreds of years ago.

In 2024 gotten is used in America, not England. Neither word is 'correct' or 'incorrect' English.

TheJackalsJackal · 01/01/2025 09:08

12345mummy · 01/01/2025 09:06

From a different perspective:
The son is going to football with his Mum so he gets to ride in the front, it’s possibly a fun treat for him when his Dads not there and quality time with his Mum. His Mums friend (who he possibly doesn’t want there) decides to join so he’s expected to sit in the back, when he would normally sit in the front to go to football. He is ND so a change in something that he sees as routine (him sitting in front on way to footie with Mum only) is difficult for him to comprehend.

It’s his football match and his time with his Mum so yes, if you want to tag along OP, just sit in the back. Reminding a ND child when you saw him in the street was not on. Let them have their trip without you OP. If you continue with your friendship please also do some research into ADHD behaviours in children.

But she was asked to go by the mum. She wasn’t begging to attend.

CleftChin · 01/01/2025 09:08

the have vs. of thing is a written problem - it's should've not should of - but spoken they sound the same, so people write it as 'of' not 've' - I can't get worked up about it.

And Gotten vs. Got - well, I'm English, so I would say Got - I'm not old English, language in the UK has evolved differently from language in the US, so we use it differently. Again, nothing to get worked up over - especially as the OP is speaking Australian English, not US or UK!

I don't know what you're going to do about the child OP - but if she doesn't find a way to have control of him, he's likely going to become more and more of a problem and you'll have to distance yourself eventually. Maybe see how he is when you babysit to get an inkling of where it's going.

Coldautumnmornings · 01/01/2025 09:08

Potentialmadcatlady · 01/01/2025 07:37

This. She is making a very big rod for her own back. ADHD is not an excuse for allowing a child to be a brat and get his own way by screaming and shouting.
I say this as a parent of a now adult son with adhd and asd. Would it have made my life easier in the short run to let him sit in front seat- yep. Would I have let him- nope. If you don’t put in the hard work and help them then they are heading for big trouble as adults

I agree. The amount of posters who would accept this entitled behaviour without challenging it is very worrying but does show why behaviour in schools is atrocious.

HBiz · 01/01/2025 09:09

I think this woman has some cheek. You go out on days out, pay for everything, help wrangle the kids and you babysit for her and she’s lecturing you on flexibility because you don’t want a sore back? Sounds a bit one way this friendship and think she needs to realise that. I don’t see the issue with you driving yourself, but if she insists on having you in the car (to help manage the kids I would imagine) then you are right to insist on sitting in the front. If it’s such an issue for her son to be moved then he should have been put in the back from the start so you could have just jumped in the front and headed off, and then it’s not a sudden change for him

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:09

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 08:33

You are very wrong and incredibly misinformed, @IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine . Gotten is the original Old English word. 'got' is an American term.

It should have been 'Should I have gotten in the car'. That is the correct way.

I’ve already said gotten is used in Shakespeare. However, ‘got’ is not the American term, it’s the way English has evolved in England.

America has kept the use of gotten so you’ve got the usage the wrong way round.

SnoopysHoose · 01/01/2025 09:10

@oakleaffy
I agree, badly behaved children, abusive men: oh I think he's ND
Not every poorly behaved person has SEN, they can just be poorly behaved, this boy sounds like his dad can manage whereas mum just gives in to his tantrums.
OP has been a good friend, generous with her time and money, going to kids activities now mine are grown would be my idea of hell.

AlwaysGinPlease · 01/01/2025 09:11

This is one friendship that I would immediately end. She's a cheeky fucker and rude to boot!

Rosscameasdoody · 01/01/2025 09:11

StScholastica · 01/01/2025 09:04

Says a woman who has never parented a child with ASD 😳

Why shouldn’t a ND child be taught that rude behaviour is unacceptable ? He’s clearly capable of understanding that because he doesn’t behave this way towards his dad. And OP’s friend is far more at fault for driving off and leaving OP not knowing where they were going. The subsequent lecture was also totally uncalled for. She sounds quite rude herself.

CandidHedgehog · 01/01/2025 09:13

IdylicDay · 01/01/2025 08:57

Not true at all: https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/is-the-word-gotten-really-that-rotten/#:~:text=This%20humble%20word%20originally%20hails,in%20some%20British%20English%20dialects.

and

"Gotten is, in fact, an English word that was in use in England at the time America was colonized by the English. It is found in the King James version of the Bible. Over the centuries, the Americans kept on using it and the English did not. Using it is not incorrect English, certainly not in a book set in the Middle Ages.
Origin: 1150-1200(v.) Middle English geten < Old Norse geta to obtain, beget; cognate with Old English –gietan (> Middle English yeten), German-gessen, in vergessen to forget; (noun) Middle English: something gotten, offspring, derivative of the v. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gotten
"
https://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten/

It originally comes from England.

All English originally comes from England (other than words swiped from other languages) so that argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Multiple words have fallen out of use and it is grammatically incorrect to use them today. That’s how language works.