To not understand how this means a man can get a female passport?

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A close friend of DH recently came out as trans. He’s had surgery abroad (FFS I think it’s called) and has set up an Instagram account with videos of the process and many, many, many outfits and make up videos. He has two sons and was married for 14 years before this.

I don’t really have an opinion as such on being trans. I think it’s likely that it’s a genuine feeling that I just can’t understand as I haven’t experienced it and don’t think it’s necessarily just a mental illness.

I don’t understand though that this person has not had his genitals removed or changed (not sure how you would express it) and yet has still got a new passport now saying F. Am I being thick for being unable to get my head around this? He still has a penis so surely that means he is male? How can he have had a passport issued as female?! Do you literally just need to apply and say you’re now presenting as female?

Some people (almost all male) respond to them by developing a sexual fetish tied up with gender roles

Being trans is not a fantasy.

Being trans is not a belief.

Being trans is not a sexual fetish.

Being trans has no definition and no form of verification other than the person's word. It does not exist in all cultures; there has been a form of 'gender washing' where gender ideologues have tried to use various indigenous cultures to prove transness exists everywhere. When what they're actually demonstrating is that many cultures have developed ways to delineate and accommodate same-sex attracted people. No previous cultures or indigenous cultures recognise transpeople as belonging to the opposite sex. E.g see here: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2020/12/06/the-sex-binary-is-not-a-western-construct-gender-identity-is/

What is it then? If it's not a belief it must have a form of proof, how do you prove transness?

This is not an academic or scientific article. It is online anti trans propaganda.

You are the one who is extolling the virtues of Irish gender laws. As a result of those laws, men are being placed in Irish women's prisons. How can you be in favour of those laws but not their consequences? That would make no sense.

He'd still be male without his penis. He shouldn't have a female passport.

How do you “prove” sexuality? Or depression? Or do you think these things are just “beliefs” too?

What about AGPs, then?

I honestly don't even have a single clue as to how to respond to this.

You can prove human sex by observation.

The sex of an individual can be detected in the womb and throughout his or her life, and even after death if enough genetic material remains. And in all that time it never changes.

this article is accessible and helpful.

www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf

With modern technologies we can now observe a person’s karyotype, and the characteristics of their internal and external sexual and reproductive organs. We can also make modifications to the latter.

How do you “prove” sexuality? Or depression? Or do you think these things are just “beliefs” too?

Its possible to be depressed.
It's possible to be homo/hetro/bisexual.

It's literally impossible to be born in the wrong body. It just can't happen.

Trans = feeling born in the wrong body.
Being born in the wrong body is an impossibility.
Trans= belief

If i presented as a duck, could I declare duck on my passport even though it's completely false? Just curious?

“Being born in the wrong body” is just an analogy that some people use to try to describe how it feels to be trans in an accessible way.

Being trans is not “an impossibility”, it’s very much possible and real. Lots of people are trans. They’ve always been here and as far as we know they always will be.

“Being born in the wrong body” is just an analogy that some people use to try to describe how it feels to be trans in an accessible way

Rubbish. There are many trans that claim they were literally born in the wrong body, that their brain is actually that of the opposite sex. That's why some so desperately cling to that shitty brain scan research that supposedly shows trans have the same brain as the sex they desire to be.

They’ve always been here and as far as we know they always will be

This is your belief, not fact. I'm aware there's plenty of retrotransing of individuals and sections of societies but that's not proof.

it’s an oversimplified way of explaining the experience of dysphoria to those who don’t have direct experience themselves.

Yes the research into brain structure is in its infancy.

You didn't read it, did you?

I'd be happy to read any scientific articles you can supply which prove transness.

What sort of “proof” are you looking for? Theres an absolute tonne of scientific research on transness.

The available historical evidence suggests that trans people have always existed, and there is every reason to think they always will be (but of course the latter can’t be proven as it hasn’t happened yet).

Please provide cast iron evidence of the existence of at least one person who was born female and by means of these 'modifications' became male and capable of fathering a child, or alternatively a person born male who has gestated and given birth to a child.

it’s an oversimplified way of explaining the experience of dysphoria to those who don’t have direct experience themselves

lol. That's what people are trying to say now because the vast majority realise that being born in the wrong body is nonsense but for many years the wrong body narrative was meant literally.

What do you mean by “became male” and “capable of fathering a child”?

Citations, please.

Of proper scientific research, providing repeatability, reproducibility and replicability.