Conspiracy Theories part 2

[Marinade]

A follow on thread as the first thread is full. This message is directed towards @Corinthiana

A few negative newspaper headlines made Diana unpopular? Nonsense. She remained a figure of profound importance internationally. She died over the summer - August. So she was on holiday. She was divorced and they shared arrangements with the boys. So she was on a yacht? Did you run her personal schedule to know that this was a sign of her prioritising her relationship over her sons as this is what you appear to be implying? Do you honestly think that the public reaction in the immediate aftermath of her death was due to her sudden post death elevation to sainthood as opposed to her enduring popularity during her life? What an illogical statement.

She was indeed a very complex woman but the fascination with her was boundless. You sound reductive and agenda driven. Greed? She was from a true blue blooded family - she famously said to Prince Philip 'my family is older than your's'.

Moon landings faked.

I do find the death of Joan Rivers quite suspicous/intriguing in terms of its timing. She died shortly after she had referred to Michelle Obama as trans - she had undergone quite a minor operation and died during this. She was captured on film making the statement about MO and she did not appear to be joking. It is very perplexing.

Ellen Degeneres is probably a lizard person. Certainly not human.

I'm interested to hear from all the fake moon landing people who they think put the man made objects in the moon, especially the mirror that suits on the surface and it's used for science experiments, or do they think they're is a naturally occurring mirror that points back to earth!

If there are any then they dont need to have been put there by a physical person.

I thought the controversy over this arose from the fact that Buzz Aldrin made statements that the footage was animation, although this does appear to have been de-bunked now (see below). So some people believe that the footage was faked but not the actual landings?

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/buzz-aldrin-interview-about-moon-landing-is-not-proof-that-it-was-faked-idUSL1N2US2G3/

Presumably Michelle Obama has had friends and family her whole life who know her se I'm sure someone would know if she wasn't female. And she's given birth to 2 children!

The most likely explanation is that Joan Rivers was not as well as thought (and this affected her cognition as well)

notable conspiracy theories that were later proven to be true:

Watergate Scandal

Theory Origin: 1972

Proven True: 1974

MKUltra (CIA Mind Control Experiments)

Theory Origin: 1950s

Proven True: 1975

Tuskegee Syphilis Study

Theory Origin: 1932

Proven True: 1972

Iran-Contra Affair

Theory Origin: 1980s

Proven True: 1986

COINTELPRO (FBI Surveillance of Activist Groups)

Theory Origin: 1956

Proven True: 1971

Big Tobacco's Knowledge of Health Risks

Theory Origin: 1950s

Proven True: 1998

Gulf of Tonkin Incident Misrepresentation

Theory Origin: 1964

Proven True: 2005

Operation Paperclip

Theory Origin: 1945

Proven True: 1975

Bilderberg Group Influence

Theory Origin: 1954

Operation Northwoods

Theory Origin: 1962

Proven True: 1997

MK Ultra and Operation Paperclip are compelling, sinister and very disturbing. I am not sure how many people are actually aware that these are proven events.

This is the thing though - I am not sure if there are any pictures of Michelle Obama pregnant. And Barak did once refer to her as 'Michael' in a speech.

That's part of the pickle, people presume it's all misinformation yet history shows otherwise

https://www.tiktok.com/@valrievalou1/video/7228326678471265563?lang=en&q=joan%20rivers%20michelle%20obama%20trans&t=1734977304997

She seems totally coherent here.

Yes and there is a narrative that shuts you down if you reference something that is so controversial like this but there is at least some counter evidence that suggests this is at least worthy of some scrutiny.

I'm not familiar with all the items on there, but:

• the existence of the Bilderberg Group was known LONG before 1997, and various politicians openly attended (including from the UK). That the group exists and it's stated purpose has never been secret, but the specific contents of its meetings are.

• others on the list, like Project Paperclip and MK Ultra, were never the subject of conspiracy theories. They were secret operations that were eventually disclosed; before their disclosure, the public didn't know about them and so there were no "conspiracy theories". They are relevant in conspiracy theory discussions though, in that they show the secretive and sometimes nefarious ways in which government can sometimes act.

I meet elderly people through work who seem totally coherent until they say something absolutely off the wall then return to being coherent . It's a very bizarre phenomenon!

Possibly but she was so well known at the point of her death that you would have thought we would have likely been made aware of this - comparable to the cognitive decline of Bruce Willis that was made public? Also is it really so 'off the wall' when Barak did refer to MO as Michael inadvertently in a speech? I cannot find this now but I definitely remember seeing this!

@Marinade do you serious believe Michelle Obama has a pair of bollocks?

I did not say that I seriously believed it did I? I said I was intrigued by the timing of Joan River's death so soon after her public statement about MO being trans. I have seen other strange things online about this - this is a conspiracy thread so the whole point is to debate these peculiar and strange issues/events?

Joan Rivers just seemed to dislike the Obamas, e.g. her earlier Jackie-O based joke in reference to Michelle.

That is a potential explanation.

, Joan rivers was one of least funny people on TV only the fake co hosts on her terribly unfunny fashion police laughed at her bland jokes .

there are dozens of pictures of Michelle Obama as a toddler , school pictures , university pictures and yes she’s a girl in all of them
She did mention struggling to conceive and going down the IVF route.

I thought she was hilarious, with a unique brand of audacious humour.

Im all for conspiracies but to say Michelle is Michael with a cock and balls and Barack enjoys taking her up the wrong un and their kids arent theres is a bit of a stretch.

If Barrak Obama is gay and was trying to conceal that, why on earth would he marry someone transgender (when, undoubtedly, many people would have known about their transition and presumably photos would exist)?

Surely the last thing a man, trying to conceal their gayness, would do is marry a male?

I really found this intriguing because Joan Rivers death seems so odd coming just after this statement. There is also this famous video linked below where there seems to be some sort of appendage visible on Michelle (not sure what to make of this though) and the fact that Barak did refer to her as Michael once. Its perplexing really the combination of these various facets.

www.instagram.com/bambooafricanbantu/reel/CpTC9abL-yq/

Maybe I should stick to the McCanns... Why were they given Clarence Mitchell as their spokesperson? Why did Operation Grange only focus on the abduction theory rather than looking into all potential options? Why did Kate refuse to answer 48 questions from the PJ in Portugal? It is a bit odd.