Conspiracy Theories part 2

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A follow on thread as the first thread is full. This message is directed towards @Corinthiana

A few negative newspaper headlines made Diana unpopular? Nonsense. She remained a figure of profound importance internationally. She died over the summer - August. So she was on holiday. She was divorced and they shared arrangements with the boys. So she was on a yacht? Did you run her personal schedule to know that this was a sign of her prioritising her relationship over her sons as this is what you appear to be implying? Do you honestly think that the public reaction in the immediate aftermath of her death was due to her sudden post death elevation to sainthood as opposed to her enduring popularity during her life? What an illogical statement.

She was indeed a very complex woman but the fascination with her was boundless. You sound reductive and agenda driven. Greed? She was from a true blue blooded family - she famously said to Prince Philip 'my family is older than your's'.

You know why I'm fully Conspiracy Theory on both Diana and Madeline?

1. Diana - why no "wear a seat belt" campaign?
2. Madeline - why no "keep an eye on your kids" campaign?

Because it demonstrates a sound factual basis to the claims made by the detective that they may have been involved in the disappearance of MMc. You said you could not countenance or comment on the case as it was too disgusting.... Weird thing to say when the assertions have survived a public libel trial.

It is a matter of legitimate public interest. You do know that the McCanns wrote a book and have been involved in much publicity about the case? That the detective wrote a book about it. Why are you trying to police this? This thread is not dedicated to the McCanns and it is also a follow up to a previous thread where the case was discussed. Are you going to blast every single you tuber and true crime forum as well? Ridiculous comment.

I think it's awful writing conspiracy theories about a missing child and her parents.

Maybe you don't. That's your opinion.

It is widely debated and discussed on many crime channels, newspaper publication as well as true crime forums. For consistency purposes, do you also try and police them since you are so outraged here?

You can think speculating on something is disgusting even if it is not libelous.

And I also think that, if someone does wish to speculate on something as sensistive as whether two parents murdered their own child, they should at least try to get their facts right (as the detective did).

What on Earth did you mean by "You do know that their aguido status was never revoked in Portugal"?

Ok that was an error on my part about the aguido status. What else did I get wrong factually in relation to the case? Please tell me why it is ok for the detective to write a book, you tubers to present shows about it, but not for me to refer to the same facts and issues in this thread? How is it speculation when it is based on the facts uncovered in the investigation? Did you go and tell off Netflix also when they broadcast their documentary? Go take your faux outrage somewhere else.

I'm allowed to think something disgusting without sending written notice to everyone that has ever partaken in it, you know.

Personally I think the Michelle Obama accusations are disgusting, too (and, as mentioned by others in the last thread, have an air of racism to them).

I do think that most conspiracy theorists are either unpleasant people, intellectually lacking, or both.

The intensity of grief was really weird though I think part of it was because whatever your thoughts about Diana as a,person she died tragically young and it was heartbresking to see the very real grief of Princes William and Harry.

It was pretty crazy wasnt it and all before the advent of social media. The british stiff upper lip was gone and all kinds were publicly weeping in the streets more than they would cry for even their own mother. That was most bizarre.

well if govts, etc didnt have secrets then there would be no conspiracy theorists

So you are too intellectually superior to be commenting on a thread about conspiracy theories are you? Please direct me to the Michelle Obama accusations as I did not make anything I merely commented on some of the information available on this issue. I said I was intrigued by the timing of Joan Rivers' death - it is a comment based on something that is unusual. Why don't you try and calm down or have a cup of tea instead of getting worked up on threads about topics you claim to be too clever to indulge in?

How very dare you respond to @ThisCosyAquaHiker ? She's far too clever for the likes of us. I think she reads books and all sorts.

Do people actually believe the McCains very confidently committed a crime in another country and knew they will never get caught?
the Guilt of leaving their children instead of hiring a nanny will haunt them forever ,
as for the cadaver dogs, wasn’t if explained that these type of dogs pick up the scent of decaying body as recent as minutes after dying? .

I dont think they planned it, no but they had to deal with the consequences of their actions so with quick thinking they hatched a plan.

I thought that this was a continuation to the thread about whether or not there are any conspiracy theories that you believe in (to which may answer, in broad terms is "no").

In the original thread, I was one of many non-beleivers. I hadn't realized that we weren't allowed to post.

I stuck around in the last thread largely because some people kept repeating the same lies over and over, and in part because some conspiracy theories (e.g. whether or not they moon landing occurred) are more enjoyable to discuss, to me, than some which are targeted at specific individuals.

If anything happened I don't think it was deliberate I think it was accidental but with a clear element of neglect. The cadaver dogs as I understand it, are particuarly and specifically highly trained to react to the smell of a deceased body. I don't understand the point you are making about the timing? I think the theory is that Gerry's bag was in the boot and this may have had contact with a deceased MMc. The detective said there were no signs of an abduction at the apartment and he was very very clear about this. Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer the police's 48 questions? What mother would not go to the ends of the earth and answer anything and everything to find their child?

It's a bit like Alex Jones. A lot of his conspiracy theories were just loopy, others were (in my view) harmful, but he ultimately crossed a line in targeting the parents of murdered children.

I was reading an interesting book about a conspiracy theorist who changed his mind on a conspiracy and accepted what people said had actually happened as truth.

His followers didn't like that.

They harassed him, sent fake porn of his relatives to his mother, harassed his employers. All because he changed his mind on a conspiracy

Conspiracy Theorists Are Dangerous Enemies to Make

Well I started this thread to convey my thoughts on Diana, Princess of Wales as a continuation of comments about her on the first thread. I can't help what people follow up on - be that the moon landing or anything else. The case of Madeline McCann was also discussed on the first thread. It is a legitimate matter of public interest given the millions spent on finding her and just by the very nature of the suspicions levied against her parents by the JP. I am not going to be told what I can and cannot comment on with regard to issues of public concern.

Well you best tell Detective Amaral that he is now thrown into the same pool as Alex Jones then. Do you generally construct such straw man arguments or is this a special treat for us to show us how clever you are?

I made a post about the Obamas and you responded to me asking about the McCanns. I said that I didn't want to indulge in the McCann ones, as I find them disgusting, and you've been badgering me about it since.

You are funny. Have a great Christmas.

I'm not making an argument - I am saying that I, personally, think discussing certain conspiracy theories can be fun to discuss and others less so. Alex Jones was basically, to me, a figure of fun who was sometimes more dangerous, and then slipped into truly horrific and personally-targeted topics.

And there's a reason why Mumsnet are pruning various of the posts about the McCanns and not doing the same for more frivolous theories.