To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

I knew somebody would do this. If the yard stick selected turns out to be problematic, you simply change the yardstick.

No you said -

According to Yougov 53% on women watch porn. The majority of women are fucking awful too.

This is blatantly untrue according to the link. Which means either you deliberately misrepresented the findings or you completely misunderstood them. Judging by the I knew somebody would do this. I think it's the former.

It's almost like we end up thinking the majority of men would rape if given the opportunity.

They would, though. They just don't admit it because it would affect how people see them.

If she was so willing and it was so pleasurable why did she admit to dissociating after the first few guys? Surely if you were enjoying something you’d savour every minute, not leave your body and just let it happen to you.

I also think she seems very unwell and don’t believe her when she says she had a happy childhood , there’s something “off” about her parents. Her dad’s friends openly admitting to him they sub to her only fans and he’s cool with that? Very odd.

She reminds me of Eugenia Cooney except she’s self harming in a different way.

The men who took part in are gross but I have seen quite a lot of men on instagram who are freaked out/repulsed/concerned for her, I haven’t really seen anyone praise her for her behaviour, it’s all been watched with a horrified fascination.

This. Exactly. Women try to conflate men's sexual desires or emotional intelligence (or whatever the fuck you want to call it) with their own. It is not the same. Not the same at all. I really don't know how many ordinary or happily married family men they need to hit on them, or how many news articles they need to read before the penny drops. Men are wired to spread their seed as much and as far as possible and they are visually stimulated. They can easily compartmentalise sex as just that - a primal physical urge. The vast majority of men would stick their dicks in an extra marital or random hole given the opportunity. The only reason stopping some of them is the fear of getting caught.

The actual link you shared shows that only 15% say they watch porn (but less frequently than once a week) compared to over 50% of men. You were the one changing the yardstick on the sly to change ‘ever watched’ to just ‘watch’ and you did it deliberately.

You knew exactly what you were doing any why.

If every man watched porn in their youth but realised with the increasing information about the damage it does gave it up do you think we’d be having this conversation right now?

You have done the same old misogynist ploy of ‘women are just as bad as men’ by taking a stat, twisting the wording to make it seem like something different and sharing it on a post about men who have raped women.

It’s shameful behaviour and we can see it for what it is.

I don’t think those figures are correct for the younger generations. Nearly all women I know have watched porn at some point in their lives. According to pornhub, 26% of their users are female which doesn’t surprise me. It’s really not uncommon for women to watch it regularly.

Surely the point isn’t that we are comparing the women, we are comparing the men, and what drives so many to line up and stick their penis briefly into a woman (in seedy and terrible circumstances), when the opportunity is handed to them on a plate.

I understand the sex drive us powerful, but I also think disgust is a very strong reaction that nature evolved in humans to help stop diseases spreading, eating gone off goods and so on. Ivr watched some interesting documentaries about dusgust. I can't quite get the bit where they must override that feeling to get aroused.
[Edited to say I don't think the women themselves should provoke the feeling of disgust! But the lack of enjoyment, other people's sperms etc)

I bet women don’t consume porn in the same way men do though. Do they watch it alone, obsessively, whenever the opportunity arises? Do they watch it on their phones in public, even though someone sitting nearby could see? Do they watch it on library computers, with the sound turned up?

Agree a lot to do with how you are bought up. I think your upbringing will give you the behavioral tools needed to get along in society. But my point is that we are biological creatures and I don't find it surprising that some of us still act on our base, animal instincts.
I hope I don't sound like a rape apologist.
Basically, we are animals, and some men are pieces of shit that don't bother to moderate their behavior properly, for whatever reason- be it personal failures, abusive childhood, whatever.
But I do think rape shouldn't surprise us.

Thanks for your unwanted contribution.

No I don’t think they do. And I’m pretty certain they don’t watch the same sorts of stuff that men do. But they do watch it.

For the umpteenth time, pleasurable for them. Men were invited to have sex with Lily as part of her challenge. Sex is pleasurable, so some men accepted the offer. I’m quite sure it was not pleasurable for Lily after a while, since having sexual intercourse dozens of times in quick succession is not something we’ve evolved to do. As we know, receiving pleasure, or even avoiding discomfort and pain, were not her objectives.

I agree that my disgust instinct is stronger than my urge to collect the sperms of 100 men...
Men may differ tho I guess?
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It does seem to be getting worse but is that simply because we hear more about it?

Anyone who has read anything about the Soviet advance across Germany in 1944 and 1945 knows that acts of brutal depravity took place towards women. Similarly the fighting between the Greeks and the Turks after World War I - it was the women who bore the brunt of the atrocities. I also read Call the Midwife recently - it's very different from the saccharine BBC drama, with a very disturbing account of what parts of the East End were like in the 1950s.

However I do agree the internet is encouraging this.

I know what you mean OP. This week has been profoundly depressing.

Gisele Pelicot's ex and his 50 co-defendents, the man who attacked the two ladies on the Bournemouth beach, the killer of the three little girls in Southport. the five men who killed two 15yo boys in Bristol, Sara Sharif's father, the crossbow killer of three women in Bushey...and that's only the ones that hit the headlines this week.

What in God's name is wrong with them all ?

I'm single and increasingly grateful for that fact.

I hear you OP. So many bad stories out there right now. Bad male behaviour has always happened but it does seem to be getting even more extreme. What’s happening in Afghanistan too.

my daughters don’t seem interested in dating men (don’t mind who they date btw!) and who can blame them with this all over the news constantly. I try and focus on the nice males i know else how would we get through the day.

I don't know for sure but I doubt it. I doubt most women would sit at their office desk watching it or in the works toilets or, as you say, in the library. I also highly suspect that the vast majority who watch bestiality or child and animal abuse videos are men.

If Lily Philips is a victim what about Bonnie Blue who also has sex with multiple men (often at the same time as Lily) but targets young inexperienced teens? Is she also a victim?

But what makes you think they feel disgust at other men's semen or the woman's lack of enjoyment?

I think this is what you and a lot of other people on this thread are struggling with. You are assuming your thoughts and morals are the standard and shared by everyone. I see a lot of people here saying "But what about Lily's pleasure?" because they mistakingly think that Lily would have been part of the thoughts and actions of these men. But it had nothing to do with her. It was only about them. Their pleasure. She was just an object there.

I used to work in a Genito urinary medicine clinic ( VD clinic) and sometimes would browse the medical journals. There was a case of a sailor contracting an STD on board a ship and they worked out that he’d used his cabin mate’s sex doll while still wet with the other guys sperm, and guy 1 had passed it on to guy 2. That’s how gross some men can get.

I totally agree that's what I am struggling with! Not in terms of these individual men, but as a "all men are like tgat'

I'd kinda hope a lot of men would also struggle with it too though? I think my husband would.

Are really all men just not bothered about the safety, wellbeing of somone just thier own pleasure.

You meet a man. He seems nice, you have a couple of dates and you're thinking about taking things further. You go out for a meal and you play a game — you each share a secret. You tell him you had sex in the office with a previous boyfriend. He tells you he was one of the men filmed having sex with Lily Phillips and he seems proud of it.

How do you feel about him now? Will you still go home with him and have sex at his place, or now you know he's into porn, will you wonder whether he'll be filming you? Will you wonder about STDs? (I mean, if he's done that, what else has he done?) I'm guessing you're probably less than enthusiastic about him being the father of your children: I mean, how would a child feel growing up knowing that their dad was on the internet queuing to have three-minute sex with a fucked-up, vulnerable woman?

Do tell me what makes you judge and jury?