To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

I completely agree with you! I am happily married with an adult son but they both know my view. ITS NOT ALL MEN, BUT ITS ALWAYS MEN!

the number of middle aged, white, far right men is alarming!
The number of teenage boys that idoliose Andrew Tate is terrifying

The sexism is real and growing in this country and we seem to be going backwards.

What would you do if there were no men in the world? I would quite happily walk home alone, catch the late bus. Go to the pub alone et etc. And before anyone says 'Men Get Attacked Too' - yes I know they do...by other men!!!! Its never a drunk woman having a go at other women or men is it?

What got me about the Pelicot case was the sheer number willing to do this in such a tiny area.” I’ll drug my wife and you rape her” 50 was the number they identified not the actual number of perpetrators. There must be an even greater number of men who would be happy to commit “lesser” crimes against women.

You can’t trust Pornhub ‘facts’ - if they can make it seem like more women are watching pornography then they can make it seem as if it’s harmless. And consensual. And more acceptable.
The reality? Look at the categories on there - the choking, the aggression, the ‘young’ the gang sex scenes. They are there to appeal to men, not women.

alot of the men in the pelicot case had been sexually abused as children or exposed to sexual imagery or situations.
there has to be a reason that men often go on to abuse yet women don’t tend to.

as someone who was abused (by a woman) I hate making that link as I feel like I’m throwing myself under the bus.

it not just down to porn. We need to get better at protecting children, cutting that limb off this ugly tree would go a long way

Or willing to see it happening and do nothing

If victim = profoundly messed up individual who most likely has trauma in her past, then yes, absolutely.

Seems some people object to the word “victim” as if this means they are blameless? I think these porn stars (I’m sick of the term “OnlyFans model” sanitising the seedy reality of what they do) exploit men for content, of course they do. But you can’t get away from the fact that they are mere cogs in an industry headed up by men, for men, and driven by male sexuality and male 💰

Ah, fuck off were they. But yes that’s what their lawyers said ,how else were they going to defend these rapist fuckers. Oh look , all of them, despite coming from a tiny geographical area - suffered abuse as children.
Bull and shit.

Like I say, the only reason the chat room got taken down was because men were getting raped.
they were quite happy when it was just the women

I find it highly troubling that we've heard about and seen pics of the women who gathered outside court every day to applaud her and give her flowers, but where were the men? If most men are good and just as appalled by the case as most women, why were they not lining up to thank her too?
Not to mention those cunts who turned up intending to participate, changed their minds and left, but didn't think to, you know, mention it to the police.

@Skodasuperb - thank you.

I'm not comparing Lily to Gisele.

But both were used as objects and that is my point.

i can see why they’d want to use anything they could as mitigating circumstances.

the link (for men) is not bullshit though. we have to get better at protecting children. It’s a cause for drugs, abuse, violence. You can’t call that bullshit

In the case of Lily though, so were the men. She didn’t give a shit who they were, she just wanted 100 penises in one day. And soon, 1,000. She objectified them just as much as they did her.

apparently in France men have shown little interest as they see these men as monsters. They don’t associate them as colleagues, brothers, friends, cousins.

@Blabadder I listened to Le Monde’s podcast on the trial, given by journalists who attended pretty much every day. They said about 1/3 of the defendants were people with sad lives, poor upbringings, a background of sexual abuse and generally isolated existences. I tend to believe them, but obviously it does not absolve them of their actions.

I said something similar to my colleague this morning. She replied, "women are just as bad".

I don't think they are.

It's disgusting. I know DH, my brothers and my Dad would never have taken part in anything like this but it is disturbing that so many men would

It's othering, isn't it? It's similar to the thing of 'bloody immigrants – oh, I don't mean my doctor/neighbour/kids' friends, I mean the other immigrants, the bad ones.'

No, absolutely. And also, many women have sad and troubled backgrounds and lives and yet their offending rate and profile is not at all similar.

Cry me a fucking river, basically.

My job involves me discovering how men think and talk about women. Often well educated and successful men whose families would be shocked beyond measure at what their husbands, brothers, sons or fathers views are.

Yes, it really really puts me off men.

Didn’t you see the video after the event? That was a vulnerable woman personified.

Everyone says that though don't they - oh MY brother wouldn't do that...

It can't be true none of the men WE know would do anything awful.

I think you'd be surprised.

If you are saying that they really aren’t that different you are saying that a woman’s consent doesn’t really doesn’t matter. Is that what you want to say. ?

Yes men are in obsessed with sex - they are literally biologically programmed to be. It is the most fundamental reason for their existence, the same as any male animal, to procreate and continue the species. Anything else is environmental and societal window dressing on top of that.