To be so disturbed by the male race currently

[honeypotter]

All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

Lilly is simultaneously a victim and perpetrator. If I invited someone to abuse and humiliate me, I'm wrong for inviting that, but they are also wrong and twisted for joyfully and willingly complying. Simular how I judge any man who strangles women as a fetish, even if she says she's fine with it.

Lilly made a very sick, unhealthy and frankly disgusting choice to set this challenge, but that's 1 women's actions, compared to a 100 men who participated in such a humiliating and degrading act towards a woman. Lilly doesn't come out of this looking good, but neither do men. All consent means is that its not rape, it doesn't mean that the 100 men that engaged in this aren't filthy cretins. They are men who only see women as holes and are happy to cause a women pain, discomfort, trauma and humiliation for the sake of banter and an orgasm.

Lilly, as an individual comes accross badly. Men, as a collective, come accross worse in this scenario.

I agree, a man who rapes is a man who has decided to let his worst perversions come to fruition. He is also a man who HAS those perversions to start with. And who lacks any empathy and/or considers women undeserving of human kindness and respect. Fortunately not all men are rapists. Unfortunately, an overwhelming majority of rapists (about 98%) happen to be male. This does not change when the man identifies as a woman, and transmen do not commit rape in any higher proportion than women do. So it's not gender- but sex-dependent.

However we try to disguise it, it IS a man's issue.

I have no idea what you're on about. Noone did anything to the Phillips woman and I'd rather socialise with a room full of men than a room full of women. Women are a nightmare as so many posts on here prove only too well.

If a good looking straight man laid on his back with his nob in the air and invited women to shag him for only fans, he probably wouldn't find a single taker - let alone 100+ in a day.

These men are willingly participating in Lily Phillip's self-harm.

my sister did sex work from when she was 17 and was groomed as a teenager, I can tell you that I not once thought my sister to be disgusting - not. One. Time. Ever.

I thought she had been abused by adults as a child, abused by the sex industry that profited from he and a society that was happy to take her taxes while degrading, judging and stigmatising her.

She ended up in the mental health system and dying recently because they gave her too many sedatives with her sleep apnoea.

People like Lily need rehabilitation and psychological help for trauma.

The people who need help are people who mercilessly judge.

For the Christian among us the bible clearly outlines judgment specifically to this.

That’s a very sad story. I’m sorry for your loss.

I was listening to a national radio phone-in, and they invited any of the 100 men who took part to call in and give their perspective on what made them take part and how they feel about it now.

surprise surprise nobody called in. Well they wouldn't would they, bloody cowards, they were probably protecting their identify for fear it would harm their career or out them as utterly vile and disgusting.

Men have an innate way of compartmentalising, they can carry out the most vile sexual act and literally lock it away and suddenly flip back to being husband/partner and Dad of the year. I bet they weren't all single ..

It's entirely possible that none of them knew about the phone in.

I see it as rape.

Would you think the same if it was your mother or sister doing this?

I agree OP. Apparently 4000 men have applied to be in her 1000 men line up. 4000 men who hate women right there.
The men who raped Giselle whilst unconscious are a whole other level of depravity.
It's the sheer numbers. Internet porn has been the single most damaging thing to happen to our society in the last 50 years in my opinion.
I knew 25 years ago after leaving an ex that the best way to ensure my safety as a women was to never live with a man. And I have stuck to that.

I agree about porn it's a world away from finding a discarded nudie book,I was a 70s kid.I find it disturbing what young girls/women are expected to act out choking, violent oral,anal that's far from normal and way beyond exploring sex at a natural pace.

@Gummybear23 ,

‘I see it as rape.’

And I might ‘see’ a woman ‘marrying rich’ as a glorified prostitute. But that doesn’t make it so.

Words have meanings and we can’t just redefine them to suit our agendas.

The whole Lily Phillips thing is pretty gross and you can see all the participants (including Lily) as either damaged or exploited, or just outside what is considered normal.

But only one person is getting paid for it, so who is being exploited?

To be honest, you can construct any story around it in terms of power/exploitation that you want, and both sides cleave pretty strongly to what they have always believed, without listening to the other side of the argument.

But looking at the behaviour of the outliers five standard deviations from the mean in terms of men and women isn’t really going to teach us any real lessons about what men or women are like. It just tells us what odd people get up to in their spare time (in the case of the men; Lily is clearly at work).

And if you were the only woman socialising in a room full of men, I would genuinely fear for your safety. Especially if there was alcohol involved.

I agree OP.

I wonder if it's time to consider 'Dick Licences'. Like the gun control debate. Men have to prove they can be trusted to have theirs unlocked. Or temporary chemical castration until proven decent.

Tongue in cheek obviously, but it does make you think about the ethical problem: 'when does unfettered male sexual behaviour harm society to the point it should be limited?'

So you don’t think there’s a link?
you don’t think we should do more to protect children? Its Recognised by psychologists across the world as a cause for violence, poverty, drugs, mental health issues and on going sexual abuse either as a perpetrator or victim.

it’s one limb in a very ugly tree we need to tackle.
ultimately if you don’t believe the psychologists, the worst that happens is you stop children being abused.

i am so sorry

I completely agree with you, these are not the actions of a women who is well adjusted, with great self esteem. It’s self loathing and a symptom of trauma.
we can dress it up and can call it empowering, but we all know that’s bollocks.

I see a women as anyone who says they are a women.

You need glasses, then.

This is far more a reflection on you. I have plenty of great men in my life, but, my job, my social network, my family, is predominantly women and I feel safe, supported, and comfortable with those in my life, i attend many women only events (not that men aren't allowed, just they are rarely interested) If you are finding women to be a nightmare to be around, it's far more likely they are responding to your unpleasantness towards them, where as the men are responding more positively to your sucking up and misogyny.

She designed, advertised, consented to and profited from the encounter, so I don’t.

I don't see the arrangement over all as rape, but if they refused to stop after their alloted time was up, and didn't follow the rules and boundaries set (e.g ejaculating on her face after she said no to this) - what does that fall under?

I really don’t get why you’re so intent on defending rapists. out of the 70 odd men who raped Gisele P. how many were ACTUALLY sexually abused themselves?
Not many would be my guess. Unless that village has a huge fucking issue around child abuse as well.
71 MEN. Just because they thought they could do it with impunity.
All ages, 22 to 70, all backgrounds, all professions, all different levels of education and supposed intelligence.
What they have in common? Not a history of child abuse - they were men who thought they could be beyond the reach of law and judgement of society who raped for their own satisfaction.
A huge number of them said ‘ well, HIS wife so he could do what he wanted with her.’ That was all it took for them to raped an unconscious woman, the say so of another man.
Mens ‘mental health’ is just a fucking smoke screen here. Please for the love of god, can women stop trying to excuse rapists and abusers.

If they had decided to become a notorious stunt-oriented porn actress, and chose to do so because it was highly lucrative, and not due to coercion etc, yes. Obviously I would absolutely deplore their choice of career. However, I would not be surprised that some men accepted an invitation to have sex with an attractive young female, as part of a well-publicised stunt, nor would I think they were sexually assaulting her.