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To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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honeypotter · 20/12/2024 13:58

All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

OP posts:
Blabadder · 20/12/2024 19:22

‘However I will say that I think men are very sexually programmed through no fault of their own, ’

to rape? To abuse? To rape an unconscious woman? It’s their DNA is it?
anyone trotting out the old ‘ it’s evolution’ excuse can, go - well you can guess what they can go do. It’s a word to do with sex.

AhBiscuits · 20/12/2024 19:24

A lot of men hate women.
I posted this on another thread. At our work Christmas party there was a guy being absolutely vile to the women on the table. He said a few times that he has no interest in anything that a woman has to say. He repeatedly referred to us as 'birthers'.
'I told you I don't care what birthers think, especially when they are fat pigs'

A huge amount of them wear a mask of respectability which slips when they think no one is looking or they are drunk.

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 19:29

AhBiscuits · 20/12/2024 19:24

A lot of men hate women.
I posted this on another thread. At our work Christmas party there was a guy being absolutely vile to the women on the table. He said a few times that he has no interest in anything that a woman has to say. He repeatedly referred to us as 'birthers'.
'I told you I don't care what birthers think, especially when they are fat pigs'

A huge amount of them wear a mask of respectability which slips when they think no one is looking or they are drunk.

what an absolute arse. You didn’t record any of it did you? I’m sure HR would enjoy that one

louddumpernoise · 20/12/2024 19:30

Lavenderfarmcottage · 20/12/2024 15:28

I don’t think OP is comparing the two in terms of consent, she is grouping them together to demonstrate the enmasse depravity of some men.

The Pelicot case is abhorrent in terms of rape but the other woman’s incident is just men taking part in a situation that’s not criminal but also morally bankrupt.

I was replying to a different poster, as the quote history shows, this poster did draw a comparison.

There are plenty of threads to criticise LP, if you wish to pass judgement? this thread is about a rape victim.

Thevelvelletes · 20/12/2024 19:32

AhBiscuits · 20/12/2024 19:24

A lot of men hate women.
I posted this on another thread. At our work Christmas party there was a guy being absolutely vile to the women on the table. He said a few times that he has no interest in anything that a woman has to say. He repeatedly referred to us as 'birthers'.
'I told you I don't care what birthers think, especially when they are fat pigs'

A huge amount of them wear a mask of respectability which slips when they think no one is looking or they are drunk.

@Aberentian@AhBiscuits that's a nutter who the hell calls women birthers.he needs reporting to HR and perhaps he'd like to discuss his twisted theories with them.
Apologies aberentian I meant just to add ah biscuits.

AhBiscuits · 20/12/2024 19:34

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 19:29

what an absolute arse. You didn’t record any of it did you? I’m sure HR would enjoy that one

5 statements have been made to HR. Hoping for a sacking 🤞

DianaRiggsCatsuit · 20/12/2024 19:35

Lavenderfarmcottage · 20/12/2024 15:43

This article on gript.ie - it’s so true the porn
culture and impact on men. It’s this insatiable addiction for more weird and taboo things and training their brains to want dangerously submissive sex acts.

I matched with a man on Tinder recently that wanted to “eat arse”. Romance is officially dead.

It's wasn't Gregggggy was it?

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 20/12/2024 19:40

Walkden · 20/12/2024 14:10

"To be so disturbed by the male race currently"

Men are not a separate race from women....

Sometimes I wonder.

Thevelvelletes · 20/12/2024 19:40

There are lots of things I'd like to eat funnily enough arse is not one of them.
Some weirdos out there.

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 19:41

AhBiscuits · 20/12/2024 19:34

5 statements have been made to HR. Hoping for a sacking 🤞

Brilliant. Well done.
the only time I’ve had a work place take action was when they wanted shot of the person. All the other times it was ignored. 5 statements can’t be ignored though.

FluffyPineapples · 20/12/2024 19:43

Both Lily Phillips and the men took part are as equally as disgusting as each other, imo. Let's not treat them as two different things, because they really aren't.

Imagine being her parents, or sibling, and having to sit opposite her during Christmas dinner, knowing she voluntarily did that. I wouldn't give a damn how much money she made from it, I'd be extremely ashamed and embarrassed to be in way related. She doesn't need sympathy, she needs some tough love.

There are plenty of disgusting men out there. But, particularly in her case, there are a good number of disgusting women willing to completely sell out on morals and decency too just in the name of fame and money.

Nothatgingerpirate · 20/12/2024 20:10

I say "male species" and YANBU, but I'm very biased, probably due to my age.

GoldsolesLugs · 20/12/2024 20:13

How about the black race or the Jewish race? Iffy, or OK in your opinion?

WatchOutForBabyHaggis · 20/12/2024 20:21

ByBusyTiger · 20/12/2024 19:16

I saw a man gawping at a four year old girl with her mother going down an escalator the other day (he was going up). It was so distinctively wrong that myself and another woman noticed it.

No need to even hide how disgusting they are anymore

Well that's a bit of a stretch - the 'no need to hide it' about your example, as if that's a common thing to see. It's obviously not, is it?

Even in men's prisons, filled with rapists and murderers, there are plenty of them that would give a man a good beating (or worse) for that specific behaviour.

There are lots of reasons people 'gawp' - why did your first thought go to the man being (overtly!) sexually attracted to a four year old?

LivelyBiscuit · 20/12/2024 20:36

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StrawberryDream24 · 20/12/2024 21:08

alot of the men in the pelicot case had been sexually abused as children or exposed to sexual imagery or situations.

a lot of the men in the pelicot case SAID they had been sexually abused as children or exposed to sexual imagery or situations.

Fixed that for you.

Child sex abusers commonly say they were sexually abused ..... If they're not saying it when taking a polygraph.

They know it's a victim, sympathy card and that some people believe pop psychology BS re. abused becoming abusers.
Except - even if they were abused - more women than men are abused (how come so few female abusers) and lots of men who were abused don't become abusers.

These men - both the child sex abusers and the rapists in this case - are not honest, decent people. We know they are not - acutely so. They are being prosecuted for crimes because they are not.

So why instantly believe they are telling the truth??
Especially when they think what they are saying will get them sympathy or lessen their punishment.

StrawberryDream24 · 20/12/2024 21:15

"Boo hoo, I was abused" is a common cry from child sex abusers ...... Funny how their experience led them to want another child/ren to suffer the same.

Funny how they don't say it so much if they're asked to say it while taking a polygraph.

Funny how they only raise it when they're caught sexually abusing or raping.

StrawberryDream24 · 20/12/2024 21:22

But most funny of all ....that degenerate, depraved, deceptive, criminal scum claims something (that garners them sympathy and attempts to learn their culpability) and some people actually believe it, straight off the bat.

Walkden · 20/12/2024 22:06

"I say "male species""

Men are also not a "species"....

nopalaver · 20/12/2024 22:23

dairydebris · 20/12/2024 16:44

Agree a lot to do with how you are bought up. I think your upbringing will give you the behavioral tools needed to get along in society. But my point is that we are biological creatures and I don't find it surprising that some of us still act on our base, animal instincts.
I hope I don't sound like a rape apologist.
Basically, we are animals, and some men are pieces of shit that don't bother to moderate their behavior properly, for whatever reason- be it personal failures, abusive childhood, whatever.
But I do think rape shouldn't surprise us.

But isn't that a bit like saying "lions rip other animals to pieces to eat them, and we are all animals, so it shouldn't shock you to see people ripping each other to pieces when they are hungry" or "cats sometimes kill birds just for the heck of it so it shouldn't shock us when humans kill each other for the heck of it" or "free range house bunnies poo everywhere when they are cross so it shouldn't shock you if someone poos everywhere when they are cross" or "crows start wars with countries they want to dominate but tell everyone completely different reasons for it and that it is all about defence" - oh wait, sorry that last one was a human one not a crow one

nopalaver · 20/12/2024 22:27

There are almost no innate differences between the male brain and the female brain, so I think the discussion shoudl be to do with how we are bringing up our children, and how we can counter the bad influences and get the law changed around visibility of porn and dark web and stop people trafficking

There are many reasons why some (not all) humans are getting more depraved - fundamentally to do with lack of real emotional connection in childhood, lack of moral upbrining, and brain rot in the form of the dark web pushing some minds ever down into the abyss

aurynne · 20/12/2024 22:51

nopalaver · 20/12/2024 22:27

There are almost no innate differences between the male brain and the female brain, so I think the discussion shoudl be to do with how we are bringing up our children, and how we can counter the bad influences and get the law changed around visibility of porn and dark web and stop people trafficking

There are many reasons why some (not all) humans are getting more depraved - fundamentally to do with lack of real emotional connection in childhood, lack of moral upbrining, and brain rot in the form of the dark web pushing some minds ever down into the abyss

There are plenty of diffences in the endocrine system (i.e. hormones) which cause definite physical and behavioural differences between males and females.

dairydebris · 20/12/2024 23:00

nopalaver · 20/12/2024 22:23

But isn't that a bit like saying "lions rip other animals to pieces to eat them, and we are all animals, so it shouldn't shock you to see people ripping each other to pieces when they are hungry" or "cats sometimes kill birds just for the heck of it so it shouldn't shock us when humans kill each other for the heck of it" or "free range house bunnies poo everywhere when they are cross so it shouldn't shock you if someone poos everywhere when they are cross" or "crows start wars with countries they want to dominate but tell everyone completely different reasons for it and that it is all about defence" - oh wait, sorry that last one was a human one not a crow one

Edited

Yes, it's exactly like this.
Our brains are developed enough that most of the time we can behave appropriately.
But we occasionally commit violent crime, it's part of who we are.
I mean from a developmental point of view.

nopalaver · 20/12/2024 23:14

dairydebris · 20/12/2024 23:00

Yes, it's exactly like this.
Our brains are developed enough that most of the time we can behave appropriately.
But we occasionally commit violent crime, it's part of who we are.
I mean from a developmental point of view.

scientists say that our brains reward us with feel good feelings when we do good things (humans that is).
scientists say that sometimes we go into survival mode, fight or flight, when shocked or under threat or feeling under threat (real or imagined) and at that point the thinking part of the brain stops working, stops putting the brakes on, and in that moment it is possible that we could react and kill someone
but not rape, which generally requires pre thought, lack of empathy, etc, it isn't a fight or flight reaction

nopalaver · 20/12/2024 23:16

aurynne · 20/12/2024 22:51

There are plenty of diffences in the endocrine system (i.e. hormones) which cause definite physical and behavioural differences between males and females.

There are differences in hormones, yes - but no differences which would lead to rape
Rape is to do with dominance and general lack of empathy, about ongoing problems, divergence from the norm.
Hormones like oestrogen vs testosterone can affect mood and aggression but they don't cause lack of empathy etc.