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To be so disturbed by the male race currently

502 replies

honeypotter · 20/12/2024 13:58

All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

OP posts:
twistingmymelons · 20/12/2024 18:35

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 20/12/2024 14:15

Using these two women in the same example makes me very uncomfortable.

It's two sides of the same coin. (some) a lot of men's sexual depravity in both situations

Giveitashove · 20/12/2024 18:36

Travelban · 20/12/2024 14:42

Yes I do wonder and I don't buy the 'but it's not all men'n 'I am so lucky I only know nice ones' either. I think men are very good at compartmentalizing and can become feral in the right conditions. I do believe that every man is capable of a lot more than we women naively would like to think. I say this as a mother of two boys and married woman. I would loge to believe that the men/boys I know would never ever do something like this but in so many cases you see wives or mothers or partners saying they were exemplary men yet still went onto abuse.

I agree. This is a very realistic view in my opinion

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 18:36

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:05

yes, who’s going to stand up for the rapists of the world! You go @BourbonsAreOverated !

There are so many like you already, standing up for men’s right to rape, you’re in great company. If the women aren’t evil temptresses then the men are all victims acting out. Thats the only explanation.

You’ve actually really upset me.
I’ve been raped, ive been abused, ive spent the first 25 years of my life having multiple men (and women) use and abuse me.
How dare you call me that. How fucking dare you

daisychain01 · 20/12/2024 18:43

dairydebris · 20/12/2024 16:02

Yes it's fucking depressing but at the end of the day we are animals. Yes, we've evolved very large complex brains that in some instances can override, but we are basically complicated apes and access to reproductive success is a basic drive.

If you wanted, you could look at it the other way that a lot of men, despite opportunities, would not behave like animals.

How insulting to animals!!!

Comparing a porn-addled man to an animal is a complete misnomer. I'd love to know an example of a creature that stands in a line of 100, waiting their turn to violate the female of the species.

They.do.not.!

CarolinaWren · 20/12/2024 18:45

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 17:09

You can’t trust Pornhub ‘facts’ - if they can make it seem like more women are watching pornography then they can make it seem as if it’s harmless. And consensual. And more acceptable.
The reality? Look at the categories on there - the choking, the aggression, the ‘young’ the gang sex scenes. They are there to appeal to men, not women.

Exactly. Those "statistics" are completely fabricated. Pornhub has no idea who is actually watching, but like you said, common sense says it's not women watching videos of women being brutalized.

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:47

The any holes a goal ‘joke’ is something I have heard from multiple men over years and years. The first time a bloke at work when I was 22. And I’m gay. So I don’t have romantic or sexual relationships with men, and somehow I still hear this shite.

Mintupp · 20/12/2024 18:48

Come someone explain why Wikipedia says she married her husband a second time after divorcing him!?

Mintupp · 20/12/2024 18:48

Giselle I mean

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:50

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 18:36

You’ve actually really upset me.
I’ve been raped, ive been abused, ive spent the first 25 years of my life having multiple men (and women) use and abuse me.
How dare you call me that. How fucking dare you

Your posts just make no sense, IMHO. Men rape because they can. As this awful French case has shown the world.
I for one have no intention in making excuses for them.

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:50

Mintupp · 20/12/2024 18:48

Come someone explain why Wikipedia says she married her husband a second time after divorcing him!?

Because Wikipedia can be edited by almost anyone. It’s not facts.

Mintupp · 20/12/2024 18:51

I'm in now way defending these men because they are fucking disgusting pathetic excuses for human beings, and I hope after they did it they imagined how they'd feel if it was their mother.
However I will say that I think men are very sexually programmed through no fault of their own, a huge part of their purpose is to impregnate women and so they have a drive to do this. I think this drive and an obsession with porn can make these pathetic characters participate in activities willingly like that.

EleanorBettyJackie · 20/12/2024 18:51

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:27

except, not really? Unless it’s one big BIG coincidence that so many rapists we’re in one small village??

This is a really good point. Giselle's experience is like a mini version of what happens when an entire society's norms break down/the attitude towards women shifts. In this case, the social norms of one small town were broken down in this one household led by this one man, and it turns out, many otherwise "normal" men became rapists happy to fall in with him.

The other mini society all of its own rules is the establishment upper classes and what goes on in their public schools. I'm talking about the abuse. These privileged background, abused boys become our legislators, our politicians and our judges. Maybe not so much today with safeguarding, but the boys abused in the 60s/70s/80s are the ones in charge now. Is it any wonder that women have had to fight hard for the abuses against them to be recognised by these people and taken seriously?

whathaveiforgotten · 20/12/2024 18:53

Mintupp · 20/12/2024 18:48

Come someone explain why Wikipedia says she married her husband a second time after divorcing him!?

Why would you not just read the Wikipedia article in which it's explained? What's your point?

HolyPeaches · 20/12/2024 18:54

Shinybear · 20/12/2024 18:23

This isn't a logical way of viewing the male population. You're talking about a tiny minority of half the population of the world.

A tiny minority? Really? 🙄

MemorableTrenchcoat · 20/12/2024 18:56

daisychain01 · 20/12/2024 18:43

How insulting to animals!!!

Comparing a porn-addled man to an animal is a complete misnomer. I'd love to know an example of a creature that stands in a line of 100, waiting their turn to violate the female of the species.

They.do.not.!

Plenty of species do a hell of a lot worse, including killing a female’s offspring so that she’ll start ovulating again, so that they can impregnate her. You don’t see that too often with humans.

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 19:00

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:50

Your posts just make no sense, IMHO. Men rape because they can. As this awful French case has shown the world.
I for one have no intention in making excuses for them.

I’ve never excused their actions.

BourbonsAreOverated · 20/12/2024 19:02

Blabadder · 20/12/2024 18:50

Your posts just make no sense, IMHO. Men rape because they can. As this awful French case has shown the world.
I for one have no intention in making excuses for them.

what I’ve said is we need to protect children better.
if you protect children from predators you help protect them becoming potential future offenders.

there’s no apology or excuse there.

Thevelvelletes · 20/12/2024 19:04

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 20/12/2024 14:15

Using these two women in the same example makes me very uncomfortable.

Exactly Phillip's shouldn't be in the same sentence as Gisele.

scorpiogirly · 20/12/2024 19:07

User37482 · 20/12/2024 14:12

I actually can’t even see how it would be pleasurable. Apparently the room stank so much the camera man almost threw up. It’s creepy and weird to line up like that.

YANBU OP it’s bewildering.

Aw dear lord. I did not need to read this! I never actually thought about that aspect of this story. Obviously it makes sense.

NovaF · 20/12/2024 19:09

There is a Telegram group with 70,000 members worldwide all happily discussing how they want to, and have, drugged and raped their partners, flatmates and sisters

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDw8Rv0s8ay/?igsh=MXRwdnZ3ZWNwZm9seA==

a journalist did an investigation and posted it on youtube, it is in German, but the screenshots of texts is bad enough. 70000 men by the way. Revolting

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDw8Rv0s8ay?igsh=MXRwdnZ3ZWNwZm9seA%3D%3D

HollyKnight · 20/12/2024 19:11

daisychain01 · 20/12/2024 18:43

How insulting to animals!!!

Comparing a porn-addled man to an animal is a complete misnomer. I'd love to know an example of a creature that stands in a line of 100, waiting their turn to violate the female of the species.

They.do.not.!

Ducks and dolphins are notorious gang rapists. Ducks will even continue taking turns at having sex with the females after they die during these attacks. Dolphins rape other species (penguins, seals). Sea otters do too.

None of this is about reproduction. It's sexual aggression.

coxesorangepippin · 20/12/2024 19:11

Yeah I can't even handle it anymore

Not sure if it's linked in this thread, but some maniac in Belgium now too, raping his four step daughters ( the mother was also involved)

Wtaf is wrong with people

ByBusyTiger · 20/12/2024 19:12

No, they’re vile. It makes me laugh because women defend them on here, not my husband. I guarantee your husband. They don’t like to hear it, let them learn the hard way.

Tandora · 20/12/2024 19:13

honeypotter · 20/12/2024 17:29

@Startinganew32 again, she's not mentally of sound mind. And I think of her as less disgusting than the men that took part. Would you not consider someone's mental health before taking part in something like that

again, she's not mentally of sound mind

says who? Are you her doctor ?

She has legal capacity and every right to have her consent taken seriously.

ByBusyTiger · 20/12/2024 19:16

I saw a man gawping at a four year old girl with her mother going down an escalator the other day (he was going up). It was so distinctively wrong that myself and another woman noticed it.

No need to even hide how disgusting they are anymore