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The annual Christmas ritual of reading DP the riot act

322 replies

DBD1975 · 19/12/2024 12:16

Looking for any tips or advice following on from the why do men steal all of the joy out of everything.

My family Christmas day, in-laws Boxing day. Just about to have the annual talk about don't make Christmas day weird or awkward by having to prompt you to be a courteous host, don't roll your eyes every time I ask you to help with something. Be sociable, join in and make an effort.

So far I have done everything for Christmas including buying my own presents for DP to give me and buying all the presents for in-laws and I will also be wrapping them.

DP has done s** all other than moan, sulk and act like a petulant teenager.

I will end up having to have the extra energy on both days to make up for my DP being so lack lustre/bar humbug.

It is more the upset in his routine which he finds hard to cope with, not to mention the chaos which comes with Christmas.

Any tips or advice gratefully received. Please note I have no intention of splitting up with him for those who will go nuclear over the situation.

OP posts:
Cheesyfootballs01 · 24/12/2024 16:40

DBD1975 · 24/12/2024 14:47

Possibly not, I am not sure Mumsnet is the place for me, people get very upset and go full on nuclear over the most minor of things!
I gave up reading the responses to my post as the majority were so hideous.
Probably the same people I have seen basically coming to blows in my local supermarket, seriously, it has been quite distressing watching couples argue over a turkey.
I think Mumsnet is an outlet for some very bitter and unhappy people, it is not my tribe.

OP- there’s no way your initial post was meant in a light hearted way…. I think your massively back tracking because the answers didn’t go your way ( which is what often happens on here )

He sounds horrible

Merry Christmas

Thedandyanddude · 25/12/2024 13:17

How old are you, how long have you been married, do you have any children?

Badburyrings · 25/12/2024 13:18

Cheesyfootballs01 · 24/12/2024 16:40

OP- there’s no way your initial post was meant in a light hearted way…. I think your massively back tracking because the answers didn’t go your way ( which is what often happens on here )

He sounds horrible

Merry Christmas

Yup.

MeAndMine83 · 25/12/2024 13:23

ginasevern · 19/12/2024 12:28

It's a man thing. The one and only task my late DH had at Christmas was to get the trimmings out of the very spidery garden shed. Jesus Christ, you would think he'd been asked to dig a mile long trench. He huffed, puffed and the air turned blue. One year he slipped on a bit of mud on the garden path and said he'd done his knee in so Christmas might as well be cancelled. He hadn't done his knee in, it was just intimidation. It was disgraceful and pathetic.

It's really not. My husband does the lions share of everything at Christmas, and all year round. You need to stop having children with people who weaponise incompetence

Gemigem · 25/12/2024 13:33

I hear you!! I had this for 27 years of the Grinch . He left me for a 35 year old woman with 4 young children! I'm sitting here with our son, thinking about him with pain. But I know what he's going to be like, telling the kids to stop being cringe,hurry up opening the presents and refusing to see her family. It's sole destroying. I can't give you any advice , especially not to leave as that's your choice. I had no choice,but I'm hoping the new year will be easier for my son and I. And I honestly wish you all the best.
One advice, looking back. I would suggest to not let him bother you,and go on as though he's not even there. Ignore the stupid remarks,the eye rolls. Laugh with your family. He will look like the one who stole Christmas. Merry Christmas xxx

JollyZebra · 25/12/2024 13:34

He's not going to change, so either you carry on as do many women do, wearing themselves out trying to make Christmas perfect for everyone, or just not do Christmas at all and tell him it's not happening as he's clearly not enjoying the festivities. Go to your family on Christmas Day and to his on Boxing Day, that way he either comes with you or stays home.
You do not have to do Christmas for them, it's not a hanging offence if you don't.
Alternatively, suggest you go away together for a few days as.

Widower2014 · 25/12/2024 13:40

Must be terrible being forced to do all that. Oh.wait, nobody forces you to do it. Do it for your family and let him do it for his

DearDenimEagle · 25/12/2024 13:49

Cheesyfootballs01 · 24/12/2024 16:40

OP- there’s no way your initial post was meant in a light hearted way…. I think your massively back tracking because the answers didn’t go your way ( which is what often happens on here )

He sounds horrible

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas. This. And How often do we see the guy being sweetness and light for a time, before reverting to verbal abuse and being the victim? Swapping between being the Prince Charming and Prince of Darkness?
classic sign of …….

To say people here are bitter etc because she didn’t like the responses is a crap response on its own. Everyone here wants to support those with problems , having often survived the same issues, and those issues are no joke. Many posters are amazing in their ability to give sound advice with humour and cheer when needed.

Posts were definitely not light hearted but if she wants to live like that, it’s her choice. Merry Christmas and a Wonderful 2025

CosyLemur · 25/12/2024 14:47

You know he struggles with Christmas yet force him to do it every year? Sounds like a you problem!

Jollyhockeystickss · 25/12/2024 15:30

Im single and i dont say this to be rude, but are these women who put these posts's up that desperate to be with someone that you put up with all of this, i would rather be single, seriously who puts up with this stuff,

GreatGardenstuff · 25/12/2024 15:55

GinForBreakfast · 19/12/2024 12:20

I'd stop with the martyring wifework tbh but it's your decision...

1st reply nails it. Why on earth are you enabling this whole sorry situation?

RachTheAlpaca · 25/12/2024 16:00

You should divorce him and have the happy Christmas you deserve next year without him

Jennyathemall · 25/12/2024 16:07

ginasevern · 19/12/2024 12:28

It's a man thing. The one and only task my late DH had at Christmas was to get the trimmings out of the very spidery garden shed. Jesus Christ, you would think he'd been asked to dig a mile long trench. He huffed, puffed and the air turned blue. One year he slipped on a bit of mud on the garden path and said he'd done his knee in so Christmas might as well be cancelled. He hadn't done his knee in, it was just intimidation. It was disgraceful and pathetic.

Of course it isn’t “a man thing”. It’s a “you married a loser and don’t want to admit it or pull him up on it so make excuses” thing.

Wonderi · 25/12/2024 16:21

DBD1975 · 24/12/2024 00:28

Thank you to everyone for your comments.
I was hoping for some funny lightheaded responses as posted this somewhat tongue in cheek!
Some responses a little over the top, apologies for not posting sooner but been away for a lovely long weekend with my DP which was amazing and has got us both in the Christmas spirit.
We have been together many years and, as in all relationships it is given and taken, learning to accept each other, faults and all
I am not perfect, neither is my partner but together we work, we are very fortunate and I count my blessings.
Wishing you all a very happy Christmas 🎄.

So far I have done everything for Christmas including buying my own presents for DP to give me and buying all the presents for in-laws and I will also be wrapping them.

DP has done s all other than moan, sulk and act like a petulant teenager.

I will end up having to have the extra energy on both days to make up for my DP being so lack lustre/bar humbug.

This was absolutely not tongue in cheek, funny or lighthearted.

So either you completely lied when you started that thread because you wanted attention from strangers off the internet.

Or your DH is actually a dick that makes you do all of the work and acts like a teenager but he took you on a trip which has appeased you for now but you’ll be back to reality in a few days time.

DepartingRadish · 25/12/2024 16:33

DearDenimEagle · 25/12/2024 13:49

Merry Christmas. This. And How often do we see the guy being sweetness and light for a time, before reverting to verbal abuse and being the victim? Swapping between being the Prince Charming and Prince of Darkness?
classic sign of …….

To say people here are bitter etc because she didn’t like the responses is a crap response on its own. Everyone here wants to support those with problems , having often survived the same issues, and those issues are no joke. Many posters are amazing in their ability to give sound advice with humour and cheer when needed.

Posts were definitely not light hearted but if she wants to live like that, it’s her choice. Merry Christmas and a Wonderful 2025

Agree. Personally I don't think a man who rolls his eyes at people because he's spending a few short hours with them for a day, sounds all that wonderful. I'd also find it incredibly disrespectful if it were my family being treated that way, by someone who claimed to care about me but couldn't summon up some basic manners.

But one man's meat is another man's poison and all that.

JFDIYOLO · 25/12/2024 18:28

If you're still with the tedious joy vacuum next year:

Do not buy any presents from him to his family.

Give him your 'things I would love to receive from you' list with links well in advance.

Get his list too.

Tell him well in advance 'these are things i will be doing. These are things you will be doing.'

Make sure it's pinned up where he can see it.

Refer to it frequently.

On the day if there are no MIL present / roasties / nuts / chocolate / crackers / drinks WHATEVER because they were his responsibility, just shrug.

Then review his performance in the new year.

Emmz1510 · 25/12/2024 20:12

PickledElectricity · 19/12/2024 12:26

Is he incapable of being polite to everyone, or just your family?

God what a turn off. I just feel like adults shouldn't need to be told to have basic manners.

Do you spend any time at home for Christmas or are you carting around here there and everywhere? Is he perhaps "acting out" because he wants to stay at home? 🤔

Haha acting out? He’s a grown up
who can use his words if he doesn’t like the plans urgh

PensionedCruiser · 25/12/2024 22:12

Cheesyfootballs01 · 24/12/2024 16:40

OP- there’s no way your initial post was meant in a light hearted way…. I think your massively back tracking because the answers didn’t go your way ( which is what often happens on here )

He sounds horrible

Merry Christmas

I have not bothered to scroll through all the previous 12 pages, but I will share a thought with you about my experience of being married to a neurodivergent husband and raising 2 neurodivergent children - now in their 30s. The behaviour you describe is very typical of neurodiversity and I think, given what you say, I would treat your husband as though he is.

  1. Changes to routine, whether for good or bad reasons, causes upset and anxiety.
  1. Knowing you are expected to do something, but you're either not sure what, or are afraid of getting it wrong, causes upset and anxiety.
  1. Entertaining in your own home or visiting someone else's, without a rigid timetable of what's happening and a list of expectations causes upset and anxiety.

I think you can see where I am coming from here. I suggest that, well before Christmas, you sit down with DH and have a chat about expectations, menus and timetables. If necessary, make notes and give him a summary afterwards. Something like this:

Present for me - I can give you a list for you to choose from (saying where to obtain), or I would really like an x. Shall we go out/look online to choose one? I will buy the presents for others and wrap them, unless you want to help me and we will arrange a date/time. Stick to plans.

Chores before entertaining - list jobs to be done in detail and allocate them to him. Give him a timetable to stick to and try to keep him on track. Front load the tasks so that you are not left with everything to do at the last minute and get stressed.

What to do as a host - again a detailed list of what you want him to do. Take coats, fetch extra seats, take drinks orders (write them down), clear away glasses etc. Don't issue last minute orders and expect him to jump to it. Don't expect him to notice something that needs doing (ask him quietly to do it) and don't pile on further jobs.

Work out some strategies for if he feels anxious/overwhelmed stressed while guests are around. Take any children/uncle/grandpa for a walk around the garden, or schedule an hour or so for anyone who wants to, to have a longer walk. Have a bolthole where he can retreat to clear his head - bedroom, dining room - and if he's going to lose track of time, set an alarm on his phone. Reassure him that he's doing well and that the guests will be leaving at x time (don't issue open ended invitations if it is stressful for anyone who can't judge how long things will go on for. Tell him to take himself off to bed and tell everyone he's had a headache for most of the day. Clear up together the next day.

Being entertained requires similar strategies - fresh air, a bolt hole (car?) and a rough timetable. Discuss menus and what to do if offered something he can't eat.

Above all, offer reassurance and understanding. It will most likely help him cope and let you relax and enjoy yourself. These strategies can work with children too. After all everyone enjoys themselves more when we're all fairly happy and comfortable.

Good luck

Crimson5 · 25/12/2024 22:34

You married him as he is. Must know what he is like .Don't you discuss Christmas plans with him before hand? Sounds like he is steam rolled into your perfect Christmas and its not his cup of tea. He could be neurodiverse and need his space. Hate interacting with groups of people. Even inlaws.
Many wives buy all the presents, wrap everything etc. Its their choice.

DBD1975 · 26/12/2024 18:08

PensionedCruiser · 25/12/2024 22:12

I have not bothered to scroll through all the previous 12 pages, but I will share a thought with you about my experience of being married to a neurodivergent husband and raising 2 neurodivergent children - now in their 30s. The behaviour you describe is very typical of neurodiversity and I think, given what you say, I would treat your husband as though he is.

  1. Changes to routine, whether for good or bad reasons, causes upset and anxiety.
  1. Knowing you are expected to do something, but you're either not sure what, or are afraid of getting it wrong, causes upset and anxiety.
  1. Entertaining in your own home or visiting someone else's, without a rigid timetable of what's happening and a list of expectations causes upset and anxiety.

I think you can see where I am coming from here. I suggest that, well before Christmas, you sit down with DH and have a chat about expectations, menus and timetables. If necessary, make notes and give him a summary afterwards. Something like this:

Present for me - I can give you a list for you to choose from (saying where to obtain), or I would really like an x. Shall we go out/look online to choose one? I will buy the presents for others and wrap them, unless you want to help me and we will arrange a date/time. Stick to plans.

Chores before entertaining - list jobs to be done in detail and allocate them to him. Give him a timetable to stick to and try to keep him on track. Front load the tasks so that you are not left with everything to do at the last minute and get stressed.

What to do as a host - again a detailed list of what you want him to do. Take coats, fetch extra seats, take drinks orders (write them down), clear away glasses etc. Don't issue last minute orders and expect him to jump to it. Don't expect him to notice something that needs doing (ask him quietly to do it) and don't pile on further jobs.

Work out some strategies for if he feels anxious/overwhelmed stressed while guests are around. Take any children/uncle/grandpa for a walk around the garden, or schedule an hour or so for anyone who wants to, to have a longer walk. Have a bolthole where he can retreat to clear his head - bedroom, dining room - and if he's going to lose track of time, set an alarm on his phone. Reassure him that he's doing well and that the guests will be leaving at x time (don't issue open ended invitations if it is stressful for anyone who can't judge how long things will go on for. Tell him to take himself off to bed and tell everyone he's had a headache for most of the day. Clear up together the next day.

Being entertained requires similar strategies - fresh air, a bolt hole (car?) and a rough timetable. Discuss menus and what to do if offered something he can't eat.

Above all, offer reassurance and understanding. It will most likely help him cope and let you relax and enjoy yourself. These strategies can work with children too. After all everyone enjoys themselves more when we're all fairly happy and comfortable.

Good luck

Thank you for being so lovely, kind and helpful. I wish more people on Mumsnet were like you, supportive, non-judgemental and caring, you are a ray of sunshine on a dull day.
Your advice is brilliant.
I hope you had a good Christmas and wishing you a very happy and healthy 2025.

OP posts:
Manthide · 27/12/2024 08:47

It sounds like you realise he's on the autistic spectrum so you can only really accept it. Ds is ND and I love him to bits but life with him can sometimes be challenging. Perhaps only ask his help with very small things so he is not overwhelmed.

lilkitten · 03/01/2025 12:00

Only just read this as I've been offline over Christmas. Kind of the same with us, but we've changed the way we do things. DH, DS, DD and myself are all autistic, I'm ADHD too. DH always said he just didn't like Christmas, but as we understood ourselves better we realised it's the change in routine he doesn't like. I don't mind the change in routine, but I'm annoying as I like things to be a certain way in order for it to be Christmas. So we're just making it easier for everyone. This year we went to his family for a while, but only as long as everyone was enjoying it (in-laws included), and DH stayed home on Boxing Day with DS, who was finding the large groups of family overwhelming. Everyone was happy and it was an easier Christmas, and next year we've decided to stay at home for dinners and just pop to family for a drink. The two mums were actually really happy with that, as less stress over hosting. He also doesn't tend to buy me gifts, which I don't mind, but he surprised me with two presents this year!

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