to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

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A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

Tell me what you don't understand and I'll be happy to explain.

Italy has people coming over on boats like the UK.
Italy has managed to substantially cut down on boat arrivals.
They opened a processing centre in Albania.
The centre was built in order to remove people from Italy for the same reasons as the UK.
It was built for the same reasons as Rwanda.
Due to us having the same problems as Italy, Starmer discussed this with Italy.

Starmer was exploring ways of cutting down boat arrivals. A processing centre in a third country looks very unlikely to be a viable option.

Completely agree. Walk a mile in their shoes. What would YOU do?

Why are you so avoidant of direct questions?

What else is it?

Well of course it's luck unless you believe you have been specifically been chosen by God to be born in the UK.
I am not against immigration policies nobody on this thread is. But acknowledging my privilege does certainly influence how I discuss things.

You’re still avoiding the question about why Germany’s crime statistics can’t be considered when discussing crime perpetrated by undocumented male refugees.
Yes, it is a different country, but it’s about the same demographic.

Regarding Italy cutting down on boat arrivals and Starmer trying to learn from them, there was an interesting article in the Guardian describing their tactics:

“The Meloni government has also enacted draconian policies against charity ships in the Mediterranean, with captains facing huge fines if they carry out more than one rescue operation at a time.”

“The deal with Libya, which essentially pushes people back to detention camps where they face torture and other abuses, was first struck by a centre-left government in 2017 and is renewed every three years. Similar concerns have been raised about Tunisia.”

‘“It’s puzzling that Starmer is looking for advice from Rome,” said Wolfango Piccoli, a co-president of political risk advisory at the London-based research company Teneo. “The immigration challenge faced by both countries is different. Rome can throw money and some kind of assistance to Tunisia and Libya, hoping it will reduce the inflow. This is not an option for London. Immigrants arrive from France.”’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/16/italy-immigration-irregular-migration-policy-giorgia-meloni-tunisia-libya-uk-explainer#:~:text=During%20Meloni's%20first%20year%20in,from%20the%20Italian%20interior%20ministry.

It's better to discuss the crime in the country you're talking about, rather than some other country. You can keep bringing up Germany, but it deflects from the situation ie the UK.

People have been coming over in the small boats for quite a few years now, so there will be reports of crime rising in the areas they're situated.

If you want to back up your theory it's best to do that with evidence. Provide evidence that asylum seekers are dangerous to the local population.

As for Italy, yes they've been criticised for some of their actions when targeting small boat arrivals. I didn't say we should be duplicating what they're doing, but looking at various options.

We’re just going round in circles here. The relevant data isn’t being published in the UK.
Plenty of people on here have mentioned their own negative experiences, but of course that’s all anecdotal.
That’s why it would be helpful if official data was published.

I can show you articles from the UK on the domestic violence situation in the UK. I don't need statistics from Germany, I can show you reports and articles. There's an article today in the Guardian on what the government plan to do about it.

I can't find articles and reports on the rise in crime in areas where there's a concentration of asylum seekers. I'm not talking about government statistics, I'm talking about newspaper articles.

There's either a media blackout - doubtful given the right wing press - or what you're saying isn't true.

As for Italy, yes they've been criticised for some of their actions when targeting small boat arrivals. I didn't say we should be duplicating what they're doing, but looking at various options.

You did say that Italy was more comparable to the UK than Germany was, because people were arriving in boats.
The co-president of political risk advisory at Teneo quoted in the Guardian article I linked above explains why they’re not really comparable.
Of course we can look at what they’re doing, but then we can also look at other countries, like Germany.

In that case every country in Europe is comparable because the rate of asylum seekers coming to Europe has risen exponentially.

What don't some of you understand? The reason people are talking about the stats in Germany is because Germany seems to be the only European country breaking down the crime stats by demographic!
The common denominator here is the people who are committing the crimes not the actual country the crimes are being committed in. So if a certain group of people are committing certain types of crimes do you think it matters if the criminal is in Germany or France or Italy or UK? The place is irrelevant when it's the same demographic committing the crimes. Do you not think we have enough of our own home grown criminals without inviting more in?

I don't think I'd be going around sexually harassing or gang raping anyone, but that's just me.

If the uk didn’t record statistics on domestic violence, if the uk didn’t record how many women were killed by males, would you think that means we’d eradicated VAWG?

unbeliveable. Perhaps you would be going around cleaning floors or restarting your career as a surgeon or being a parent or whatever?

Yeah any of those type of things would be good

And by the way, it's not "unbelievable", look at the crime stats then tell me I'm wrong

Why are you conversing in incredibly unlikely hypotheticals when we are talking about crime statistics?

It is unbelievable that this is the first thing you jump to.
It's worth mentioning that the reason for higher crime rates among refugees is not because they are refugees but because the percentage of possible perpetrators (young, male, poor, uneducated) among them is the highest. Accounting for that the difference between homegrown and foreign is a lot less.

It' also worth mentioning that most victims of immigrant crimes are also immigrants so there are as much victims as perpetrators.

Yes I know all that, hence I don't agree with tens of thousands of them flooding across Europe. And it's far from the first thing I jumped to, I've read the stats, it's happening

“is not because they are refugees but because the percentage of possible perpetrators ( young, male, poor, uneducated) among them is the highest”

Yes. Which exactly what’s being said. Women and children (biologically proven to be children) should be prioritised. We do not need any more young, poor, uneducated, men here as they are the most likely to commit crime. As proven by Germany’s statistics.

The stats show that most refugees are not criminal so the first thing you jumped to is being a rapist?
Interesting...