to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

[NavyOrca]

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

Undocumented migrants....just another sound bite. Any person ( they are infact human) arriving will be documented. I have seen this with my own eyes.They are "processed" and documented.

With passports and DBS checks?

I actually work for a homeless charity, we take hot food round at night. Please don’t assume. The people we feed are desperate…. it’s wrong on every level they are refused a bed while illegal immigrants are provided for.

A DBS? Like for a job or volunteering? At a cost of around £60.00? How would that work ?

What about passports?

What about them? Really?

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. A pp queried whether the " processing " would include criminal background checks - which they don't. Or maybe you just didn't understand the question so I decided to break it down for you. Hth.

Well, according to Migration Watch UK, only a small percentage of migrants arriving in small boats are in possession of a passport. Their source is official data released by the Home Office following a Freedom of Information request:

“The release shows that just 317 arrivals were found to have a passport at the time of being processed in the UK between January 2018 and June 2021, during a period when at least 16,500 were detected arriving (see attached briefing paper).”

www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/666

Yes. A DBS, like every other migrant who has documentation needs, along with a valid passport.

I don't have an answer for desperate people trying to come to the UK.

Do you?

Do you really?

I don't want to say 'fuck off', I want to be a person from a country that feels welcoming.

I also don't want to say 'Yay, get yourself in''.

Because that's crazy talk.

So...a conversation is necessary.

And we need to have that conversation and understand what shape it takes.

How would you get a DBS from a place like Syria?
Or apply for a passport there?

So they are undocumented?

I think she means documented in the sense that as much information as posible ( like name, age range, country of original, etc.) will be documented dringend the arrival process.
What more can you do?

This isn’t documentation. Name, age, country of origin etc can all be lied about. All we know is their sex and the date they arrived.
Fully grown men arriving and claiming to be children is a huge safeguarding risk. These men are placed in foster care with vulnerable children and put in classrooms alongside vulnerable children.

So what are you saying? The 400+ hotels that are full of illegal immigrants are all doctors? Don’t see too many nurses?

The hotel where I worked had people from many backgrounds. I don't know if that helps?

Regarding a DBS, this is needed for work and volunteering. No person seeking asylum is permitted to work. Some people are able to volunteer with mostly manual work such as clearing commuity gardens.

People have a right to be pissed off OP. There is a hotel in our town centre housing god knows how many asylum seekers - it was once a nice hotel and accommodated the queen on her visit to the city. Now it’s full of young men from god knows where - all warm and fed whilst British born homeless are hungry and cold in doorways being told there is nowhere for them to go.

If the hotel can be used for these asylum seekers why couldn’t it be used for our own homeless? We had a homeless shelter nearby - they closed it down.

Thank you for sharing this, worrying statistics.

Regarding a DBS, this is needed for work and volunteering. No person seeking asylum is permitted to work. Some people are able to volunteer with mostly manual work such as clearing commuity gardens.

Okay, so no DBS and in many cases no passport either.
You objected to people using the term “undocumented migrants”, yet many of the people arriving in boats seem to have no documents.

Interesting comment in the report

"German politicos and journalists have long suppressed discussions of why certain groups of foreigners are overrepresented in crime statistics; Section 12 of the official German press code even forbids identifying the ethnic ancestry of criminals to combat “discrimination”. Any references to “crime by foreigners” (Ausländerkriminalität) as a distinct problem were met with charges of xenophobia and racism."

People are starting to say it now. People are worried. Integration is important not arriving to push their culture and beliefs on country they apparently seek refuge in.

Exactly always someone to blame
Single mothers remember that one?
The unemployed..that's always an ongoing one regardless of decade.
Immigrants see above.. National Front,BNP style rhetoric.
The disabled and mentally ill fairly recent .. scapegoats for the countries ills.
Apologies too any other scapegoats I may have missed out.

It’s needed to migrate. Not because of specific work constraints, but because we don’t want dangerous people moving here.

Hi,
The data shows that male asylum seekers are more prone to commit crime than other groups. Can you explain how stating fact, backed up by statistical evidence, is scapegoating, please?
And could you also explain how ignoring facts which put women at children at risk is helpful to any of us?

Politicians always have someone to blame for the countries ills.
Hitler managed to convince a country that everything wrong in Germany was down to the Jewish population and anyone else that didn't align to National Socialist values.

So we should just ignore current crime statistics because “Hitler”?