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To think that all the dietary requirements these days is taking the joy out of hosting?

231 replies

ChristmasMenuDrama · 18/12/2024 19:37

Across my family and their partners, we have:

  • Allergic to all fruit
  • Allergic to nuts & seeds - won’t eat anything that “may contain” just in case.
  • Allergic to Seafood
  • Vegan
  • Coeliac
  • Legumes set off his IBS

And then there are other people who are just plain fussy like the person who won’t eat anything with cream, creamy, or that is too similar to cream in their opinion.

Then you factor in children and I start to lose the will to live.

I really try to be an accommodating host and I always find something everyone can eat eventually but is just me or is it getting worse?

It was fine when it was just one person with a “requirement” but a lot of the ones I have listed aren’t very compatible with each other.

It really takes the joy out of it when I have to keep vetoing things or replacing them with very expensive substitutes!

OP posts:
MereDintofPandiculation · 18/12/2024 20:24

LucastaNoir · 18/12/2024 19:57

I sympathise, but wouldn’t a standard turkey roast dinner with an oven ready vegan alternative main suit all these?

You'd have to do gravy with vegetable stock rather than use the meat juices, separate vegan pigs in blankets, gluten free and vegan Yorkies, gluten free bread sauce made with soy milk or oat milk, roast potatoes roasted in vegetable oil not goose fat - it wouldn't be totally straightforward.

Cloudysky81 · 18/12/2024 20:25

I'll happily cater for allergies. I absolutely won't for preferences or picky eaters though.
I would questions some of those allergies though, some seem very improbable....

Onlyvisiting · 18/12/2024 20:26

Although that list looks daunting if you are an adventurous cook- most Christmas roast meals should surely work? Or any basic meat and veg combo with a meat alternative for the vegan.
Roast potatoes in (rapeseed? Yes/no?) Oil,. The IBS person can just not eat peas?
And I don't eat nuts anyway so don't have them around, but it's not hard to not have nuts in a main meal is it?
Desserts now would be much harder!

I think you'd need 2 probably to fit all those requirements.

A sticky toffee or syrup sponge or suet pudding.
You can make gluten free ones but I think its rank, I'd rather do something like a cheese cake with a GF biscuit base and fruit on for the celiac.

UpUpUpU · 18/12/2024 20:26

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/12/2024 20:24

You'd have to do gravy with vegetable stock rather than use the meat juices, separate vegan pigs in blankets, gluten free and vegan Yorkies, gluten free bread sauce made with soy milk or oat milk, roast potatoes roasted in vegetable oil not goose fat - it wouldn't be totally straightforward.

My biggest pet hate as a coeliac is being lumped in with the vegan option. Being coeliac is bad enough without a vegan meal and dessert of fruit

Growlybear83 · 18/12/2024 20:27

I do sympathise OP. I go to great lengths to accommodate any allergies, but I've always given children the same food as adults, and wouldn't be prepared to make anything special on Christmas Day for someone who was just fussy. We had our daughter and son in law living with us for much of this year, and trying to cope with a very strict halal and organic only diet proved to be very challenging! Thankfully my daughter ended up cooking for herself 😆

Vettrianofan · 18/12/2024 20:27

That's the reason I don't host. Thank goodness for restaurants.

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/12/2024 20:27

OP isn't trivialising allergies, so no need for the sarkie comments. She's commenting on the fact that allergies are way more common now. Even 30 years ago, neither my children nor their friends had food allergies, I knew one person at school who had a very minor strawberry allergy, But not there are so many allergies that it does make catering really difficult.

ChristmasMenuDrama · 18/12/2024 20:28

@UpUpUpU i completely agree with you! I often have to order lunches for work these days and the other week the GF people had just green salad, despite me confirming with the organiser that they would have an appropriate substitute. I complained and they appeared with some potato wedges and fruit salad…

I ALWAYS try to make sure everyone has something decent which is why it’s so stressful when they are all mixed in together

OP posts:
cakeorwine · 18/12/2024 20:28

ChristmasMenuDrama · 18/12/2024 19:41

@Jingleberryalltheway @Tinselskirt obviously not.

@Marblesbackagain I didn’t say that at all - I said I always find something they can eat! My AIBU is it makes it joyless and is it getting worse

People with allergies find it hard and limiting when they want to go out and enjoy themselves.

We always self cater on holidays as DS has allergies and it's just easier to cook rather than go out to local restaurants. That takes away from the holiday experience but it's what we do to ensure he is part of the family and enjoy himself.

cakeorwine · 18/12/2024 20:30

Cloudysky81 · 18/12/2024 20:25

I'll happily cater for allergies. I absolutely won't for preferences or picky eaters though.
I would questions some of those allergies though, some seem very improbable....

Can I ask which allergies you think seem improbable?

Ja428 · 18/12/2024 20:31

AntiHop · 18/12/2024 19:50

You don't sound very nice.

I have two close friends who have food intolerances. I care about them and therefore I've taken great pleasure in making enjoyable meals that won't make them unwell. Surely that's what a decent person does?

Well that’s fine for two. The OP lists SIX sets of requirements.

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/12/2024 20:39

UpUpUpU · 18/12/2024 20:26

My biggest pet hate as a coeliac is being lumped in with the vegan option. Being coeliac is bad enough without a vegan meal and dessert of fruit

It's not great for vegetarians. Now vegans are more numerous, most restaurants kill two birds with one stone and just present vegan options, a much more restricted diet than vegetarian.

I can't imagine lumping coeliac with vegan. I have gluten intolerant friend, and it doesn't make a lot of difference when you're home cooking. So I'd just remove the wheat elements from the main meal and do something separate for the vegan.

Skyrainlight · 18/12/2024 20:40

Absolutely, my own dietary requirements take the joy out of preparing food for just me.

I had my goddaughter visiting and she has a very, very severe peanut allergy. All I wanted to do was buy a small cake, absolutely impossible, all that I could find were produced in factories that may contain nuts. So I decided to make brownies that require 80% bars of choc, only two brands available, nut factory. I spent ages searching until I found things she could eat. It was not fun at all.

PotatoBreadForTheWin · 18/12/2024 20:42

catscalledbeanz · 18/12/2024 19:53

I'm sorry your getting such mean responses op. I think it's clear that you DO cater for all the necessary, which is good of you. But I agree of course it takes the joy from the process. It makes it a time consuming and concerning stressful experience, as you can't just make what's good, or what your good at , and instead have to be extra cautious around cross contamination and have multiple layers of allergy to consider. It's limiting. Stressful. And joyless.

Yes. All of this.

YANBU OP and the posters getting pissy and claiming you want your friends and family to get sick aren't reading properly. It IS hard work and it does totally take the joy out of socialising at home. I don't bother any more.

C152 · 18/12/2024 20:45

Agreed! The allergies I would do my best to accommodate, but people with such severe allergies or aversions that they won't eat anything that "may contain nuts" for example, I just wouldn't invite over, as there's no way I could guarantee my home kitchen is nut free.

MrsAvocet · 18/12/2024 20:45

Flowersonthetv · 18/12/2024 20:15

I have a wheat allergy and it’s rubbish. I’m bored of trying to work out what I can eat / what I can’t / what to have for dinner. It limits eating out and suck the joy out of food!

You have my sympathy OP it’s very much annoying and sucks the fun out of cooking!

I agree. I think the OP has had some very harsh responses. I have been cooking for my DS with lots of allergies for nearly 20 years now. It's part of life. I'm used to it and I am pretty good at it but no, I don't "enjoy the challenge". It is true there is a certain satisfaction when you complete a tricky free from recipe or create an alternative to everyone else's favourite meal and it turns out to be edible, but it's similar to the sense of satisfaction you get when you've walked to the top of an unpleasantly steep hill - you're proud of yourself for completing the task and know it's beneficial but the actual execution of it was a bit grim and you're relieved when it's over without mishap.
Since DS went to University and I've been able to cook whatever I like again I've really enjoyed cooking. I'd forgotten how much fun it can be when you don't have to worry. I don't resent cooking for him, it's just the hand life has dealt us and it can't be helped, but I don't enjoy it. If there was a magic cure we'd be delighted to take it. I dont know anyone with allergies or another medically required diet who wouldn't opt for an unrestricted diet if they could. I don't particularly enjoy dealing with it and I definitely wouldn't expect someone who isn't used to it to be overjoyed when presented with the list of restrictions. YANBU OP. There are ways round such problems but you're right, it's not fun.

Jebatronic · 18/12/2024 20:46

Potluck is a fantastic process, people with serious dietary need are experts on how to feed themselves safely ( it’s very Darwinian ) and sometimes the food even tastes good! Turn the tricky customers into an asset and let yourself off the hook a bit. The anxiety for the guests will be way reduced too, everyone gets to feel happy. Just get everyone to agree to 180 degrees in the oven or a short shift in the microwave, covered dishes only. Everyone brings serving spoons for their dish(es)
Make a little of what you love and share it with those that can enjoy it with you. People with genuine need will most likely be very grateful to feel safe and have something nice to eat in company ( trust me it’s a rarity as previously pointed out)

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/12/2024 20:47

UpUpUpU · 18/12/2024 20:26

My biggest pet hate as a coeliac is being lumped in with the vegan option. Being coeliac is bad enough without a vegan meal and dessert of fruit

I wasn't lumping you in with the vegan in the Christmas dinner menu, I'd assume you'd be eating the turkey, wheat free stuffing, veg, potatoes, cranberry jelly, vegetable gravy with the rest of us. And I'd adapt the bread sauce so everyone could eat it. As to the yorkies, I was responding to someone who said "couldn't the coeliac just eat vegan (or vice versa)", and I was saying ti wasn't that simple. In practice, I'd do gluten free yorkies for most of us, and separate vegan yorkies for the vegan. Same with pigs in blankets, most of us with gluten free sausages, vegan sausages and bacon for the vegan.

MrsWinslowsSoothingSyrup · 18/12/2024 20:50

Sorry for the derail but wondering if someone can link me to some useful info perhaps:

The huge increase in severe allergies is alarming and terrifying for the younger generations.
It seems to be getting worse each year.

What is being done to find out why it's happening and slow it down?

GoodGollyMsMolly · 18/12/2024 20:50

My niece has but allergy and I always cater to her because I love her. But BIL's gf is just an attention seeking fussy eater. She said she couldn't eat cheese and proceeded to eat half a box of Domino's cheesy pizza and took the rest home 🙄 and she has a list of things she wouldn't eat including carrot, onion, common ingredients. She also told DH she hates foreigners when DH picked her up to dinner at ours. I'm a foreigner. She is never invited back to ours.

luckylavender · 18/12/2024 20:58

ChristmasMenuDrama · 18/12/2024 19:37

Across my family and their partners, we have:

  • Allergic to all fruit
  • Allergic to nuts & seeds - won’t eat anything that “may contain” just in case.
  • Allergic to Seafood
  • Vegan
  • Coeliac
  • Legumes set off his IBS

And then there are other people who are just plain fussy like the person who won’t eat anything with cream, creamy, or that is too similar to cream in their opinion.

Then you factor in children and I start to lose the will to live.

I really try to be an accommodating host and I always find something everyone can eat eventually but is just me or is it getting worse?

It was fine when it was just one person with a “requirement” but a lot of the ones I have listed aren’t very compatible with each other.

It really takes the joy out of it when I have to keep vetoing things or replacing them with very expensive substitutes!

I'm struggling to see why this is a problem - • Allergic to nuts & seeds - won’t eat anything that “may contain” just in case.

Why would you risk it?

KarenAndSusanAreMyBesties · 18/12/2024 20:59

I am now at the stage that, if I am hosting, then I provide what I provide and people can make their own grown up choices to eat, or not eat. Gone are the days when I became a stress-head just in case a serving spoon used by a vegetarian may have accidentally touched some meat, or whatever. If your choices are SO limited, I am happy for you to BYO, or forage in my garden for something acceptable.

stichguru · 18/12/2024 20:59

It's hard but nothing you or they can do about it. Make it a bring and share so that people all bring something they like and can eat, and then eat bits of things others have brought as they can/want to?

mumda · 18/12/2024 21:01

Tinselskirt · 18/12/2024 19:38

God forbid people don't want to be incredibly unwell through eating your food.

I'd rather not feed them than Jill them

Bluebellyhedge · 18/12/2024 21:03

That's a bit mean. If you're a good cook you can cope with making some changes to stop someone getting very unwell.