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Marriage for older couple with large wealth disparity

214 replies

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 19:58

Me and DP have been together for 3½ years. We do not have children together but DP has one child from a previous relationship. I love them both very much.

At the start of the relationship we discussed marriage, and we both agreed it wasn't something we'd ever want, despite being fully committed to each other and considering each other as life partners (neither of use are religious and we're both kind of non-conformist and were not motivated by the tradition).

Recently DP changed her mind on this and has now become adamant that she wants to get married and have completely joint finances, and she will leave me otherwise.

This puts me in quite an uncomfortable situation because of our respective financial situations.

I have had a lucrative but very high stress career. I'm not a particularly money motivated person and have lived frugally all my life. I'm now in a position where I am planning to retire within the next 5-10 years. I have a NW of roughly £1.5M. DP has a good job and earns quite well (very proud of her) but she only has savings of around 70K. And I do out-earn her currently by around 4X.

I've agreed to the marriage on the condition that premarital assets should be off the table if we ever ended up divorcing (of course you don't plan for it, but you never know).

I have no issue with joint finance and sharing all income going forward. That would mean me contributing 3-4X what she would, and that would be "our" money forever no matter what happens (split 50/50 if we separated). All income, pension, inheritance, or whatever else, shared completely from the point of marriage.

For "my" (i.e. the premarital) money, I consider it to be "ours" for as long as we are together. Anything she needs, or her DC needs, she'll have it. If we need a bigger house, I'll pay for it. My only condition is that if she ever leaves me, she doesn't get to take half of it with her. Only in that sense, it's still "mine".

I consider this a pretty good deal for DP. If we stay together as planned, she'd be able to retire in her 50s and we could travel the world together. Even in the unfortunate scenario that we were to split up after a few years, she'd still have done very well out of it financially and be in a good position to do whatever she'd want to do next in life.

But this is not satisfactory for DP. She insists that true commitment means "sharing everything" and that all premarital assets need to be split 50/50 in divorce.

My issue with this is that the "financial commitment" that she sees as being so important, is almost exclusively coming from me. There's no commitment from her because there's no risk for her. She'd end up rich (relative to where she is now) whatever happened. I'd be in a position where I'd lose so much by leaving, but she would lose nothing by leaving.

This doesn't seem fair, or balanced, or equitable, to me. Even disregarding my obvious self interests, it just seems to to be a really bad foundation for a relationship, because of the inevitable power imbalance it would cause.

I think DP should also be considering my needs and security, and be open to an arrangement which benefits us both as a couple and as individuals, without exposing me (and only me) to such risk. If roles were reversed, I'd want to protect my partner so that they could feel completely secure in the relationship.

So my answer is "no", and now she's leaving me.

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her". She thinks I'm being overly analytical and "treating it like a business deal". She says I shouldn't even be thinking about it as losing "my" money, because it's all "our" money anyway. She says she'd rather be alone for the rest of her life than be with someone who won't share everything with her.

So, AIBU?

OP posts:
SidhuVicious · 17/12/2024 20:03

Well, it's defo a bit of a dampener doing the "oh, well just in case we divorce....". Especially right before marriage. But so many previously besotted lovers end up apart in reality and you really don't want to be £750k out of pocket. If this was a rich woman and an angry man people would be telling the OP to run a mile.

dancingcrabbs · 17/12/2024 20:07

Who would you leave your money to if you spilt ?

does sound like she is trying it on.

why not have a chat with a solicitor to see what you can do to ring fence your money. If you did then how would she know ?

AlertCat · 17/12/2024 20:07

It seems odd that she’s not only changed her mind about something which used to be fundamental for you both, but is also going about it in a really aggressive way. Refusing to compromise is odd. I’d be looking for a motive I think. Does her dc need money? Has she misled you about her wealth and income, or lost some? Where is this sudden need to share everything coming from?

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 17/12/2024 20:09

You sound reasonable and she's starting to sound very grabby

JHound · 17/12/2024 20:09

Sounds like you have a golddigger on your hands.

Not sure you can make a promise that pre-marital assets are kept out of any divorce proceedings. I mean you can promise but if she decides not to keep to that I don’t think a court will uphold it.

DaringLion · 17/12/2024 20:10

Sounds like she wants your money more than you

dancingcrabbs · 17/12/2024 20:10

If she earns ‘good money’ this is an odd stance too, of course marriage is a business deal!

hmmmmm smells iffy. Suddenly wanting marriage and suddenly all in.

as you say if you happy to share as soon as you are married this is a good deal for her.

JHound · 17/12/2024 20:11

Also FWIW although you think she maybe richer if you split apparently the data says on average women are poorer, men wealthier post divorce. Just say no to the marriage and that’s that.

Agix · 17/12/2024 20:11

Do people even have to share premarital assets upon divorce? I thought that wasnt a thing that happened anyway.

DarkAndTwisties · 17/12/2024 20:12

If this was a rich woman and an angry man people would be telling the OP to run a mile.

Definitely.

I wouldn't get married in OP's situation.

Why has she changed her mind to such an extent that she's gone from "I don't want to get married" to "if you don't marry me I'll leave you"?

pikkumyy77 · 17/12/2024 20:12

Honestly I am on your side. I think you are being more than fair and I usually take the woman’s side. I think she is right to ask for the security of marriage and all that implies for living together and staying together until disability and death—speaking as someone who is happily married and undergoing some serious health things—but you very well might end up divorced and the division of assets at that point should reflect your different starting points. Perfectly reasonable of you.

ChristmasinBrighton · 17/12/2024 20:12

She’s got £££ signs in her eyes.

I would take her at her word and agree the relationship is over.

HisNibs · 17/12/2024 20:13

Agree completely with what pp have said. Even with a prenup, if you married and later died, she would inherit everything. The only way she potentially loses anything of yours is if you split. She loses nothing. Whilst you're together you all gain. I think you may be dodging a bullet here. The sudden change of heart didn't come from nowhere.

pikkumyy77 · 17/12/2024 20:14

JHound · 17/12/2024 20:11

Also FWIW although you think she maybe richer if you split apparently the data says on average women are poorer, men wealthier post divorce. Just say no to the marriage and that’s that.

On average doesn’t tell you anything about this specific case.

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 17/12/2024 20:15

Completely different figures but I have savings around the 40k mark and i own my own house although mortgaged. Dh had nothing.

We have a fully legal prenup that ring fences the money I had walking into our relationship, my house, car etc. He cannot touch any if it should we split up.

Any joint savings accumulated during our relationship/marriage are fair game to be divided up.

I think your DP is being very unfair

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 17/12/2024 20:16

Hold firm - even if you do consent to marry, you will be wondering if it's just to gain access to your wealth. She's the one that has changed the goal posts.

She may not have realised how much you have at first, and is now looking at securing her and her childs future, but if I were you I would refuse.

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:16

dancingcrabbs · 17/12/2024 20:07

Who would you leave your money to if you spilt ?

does sound like she is trying it on.

why not have a chat with a solicitor to see what you can do to ring fence your money. If you did then how would she know ?

Do you mean in my will? Don't have any DCs of my own, so would leave most of it to DPs DC.

OP posts:
BitOutOfPractice · 17/12/2024 20:16

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her"

And I think she loves your money more than she loves you.

WorkCleanRepeat · 17/12/2024 20:17

There is not a chance I would marry her. We have far less money than you and I advised my husband to protect his premarital assets before we got married.

FOJN · 17/12/2024 20:18

I think your offer is more than fair but it must be hurtful for her to be so adamant on her having access to all the assets you've accumulated so far in life. I'd be interested in finding out why she has changed her mind.

Sorry OP but I don't think this relationship has a future. You would be very foolish to give in to her demands.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 17/12/2024 20:19

AlertCat · 17/12/2024 20:07

It seems odd that she’s not only changed her mind about something which used to be fundamental for you both, but is also going about it in a really aggressive way. Refusing to compromise is odd. I’d be looking for a motive I think. Does her dc need money? Has she misled you about her wealth and income, or lost some? Where is this sudden need to share everything coming from?

This. I wonder if she is panicking or knows something she hasn’t shared about her earning power.

To be honest @JustSomeRamdomGuy hard as it is I think this is the right thing as she is being wildly unreasonable and trying to force you with an ultimatum.

Octavia64 · 17/12/2024 20:19

Yeah I wouldn't be entertaining this for a minute.

(Woman).

Due to various factors I have wound up in later life with a fairly large lump sum. I will not be getting married again in any circumstances.

MrsMitford3 · 17/12/2024 20:21

BitOutOfPractice · 17/12/2024 20:16

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her"

And I think she loves your money more than she loves you.

Me too!!

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:22

Agix · 17/12/2024 20:11

Do people even have to share premarital assets upon divorce? I thought that wasnt a thing that happened anyway.

My understanding is, not automatically, but it can be at the discretion of the judge if they think circumstances demand it. Seems to be a grey area as far as I can tell.

But this is one of the really troubling aspects to me. DP actually thinks they should be entitled to more than what would normally be included in a standard marriage/divorce.

OP posts:
Calmhappyandhealthy · 17/12/2024 20:24

Woah! Do NOT marry this woman

She doesn't love you imo. She loves your money

Make sure you change your will so no money is left to her or her child

I'm shocked at how horribly grabby she is