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Marriage for older couple with large wealth disparity

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JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 19:58

Me and DP have been together for 3½ years. We do not have children together but DP has one child from a previous relationship. I love them both very much.

At the start of the relationship we discussed marriage, and we both agreed it wasn't something we'd ever want, despite being fully committed to each other and considering each other as life partners (neither of use are religious and we're both kind of non-conformist and were not motivated by the tradition).

Recently DP changed her mind on this and has now become adamant that she wants to get married and have completely joint finances, and she will leave me otherwise.

This puts me in quite an uncomfortable situation because of our respective financial situations.

I have had a lucrative but very high stress career. I'm not a particularly money motivated person and have lived frugally all my life. I'm now in a position where I am planning to retire within the next 5-10 years. I have a NW of roughly £1.5M. DP has a good job and earns quite well (very proud of her) but she only has savings of around 70K. And I do out-earn her currently by around 4X.

I've agreed to the marriage on the condition that premarital assets should be off the table if we ever ended up divorcing (of course you don't plan for it, but you never know).

I have no issue with joint finance and sharing all income going forward. That would mean me contributing 3-4X what she would, and that would be "our" money forever no matter what happens (split 50/50 if we separated). All income, pension, inheritance, or whatever else, shared completely from the point of marriage.

For "my" (i.e. the premarital) money, I consider it to be "ours" for as long as we are together. Anything she needs, or her DC needs, she'll have it. If we need a bigger house, I'll pay for it. My only condition is that if she ever leaves me, she doesn't get to take half of it with her. Only in that sense, it's still "mine".

I consider this a pretty good deal for DP. If we stay together as planned, she'd be able to retire in her 50s and we could travel the world together. Even in the unfortunate scenario that we were to split up after a few years, she'd still have done very well out of it financially and be in a good position to do whatever she'd want to do next in life.

But this is not satisfactory for DP. She insists that true commitment means "sharing everything" and that all premarital assets need to be split 50/50 in divorce.

My issue with this is that the "financial commitment" that she sees as being so important, is almost exclusively coming from me. There's no commitment from her because there's no risk for her. She'd end up rich (relative to where she is now) whatever happened. I'd be in a position where I'd lose so much by leaving, but she would lose nothing by leaving.

This doesn't seem fair, or balanced, or equitable, to me. Even disregarding my obvious self interests, it just seems to to be a really bad foundation for a relationship, because of the inevitable power imbalance it would cause.

I think DP should also be considering my needs and security, and be open to an arrangement which benefits us both as a couple and as individuals, without exposing me (and only me) to such risk. If roles were reversed, I'd want to protect my partner so that they could feel completely secure in the relationship.

So my answer is "no", and now she's leaving me.

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her". She thinks I'm being overly analytical and "treating it like a business deal". She says I shouldn't even be thinking about it as losing "my" money, because it's all "our" money anyway. She says she'd rather be alone for the rest of her life than be with someone who won't share everything with her.

So, AIBU?

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 12:09

NornIsland · 18/12/2024 12:02

Maybe she goes with or to another BF....who is pushing her to marry the OP and then clean him him out with a divorce before they can be together!!!

I suspect my hypothesis is the more realistic.

Calmhappyandhealthy · 18/12/2024 12:15

arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 11:40

He??

Exactly 👍

Ivyy · 18/12/2024 12:54

@arcticpandas I assumed op is male too as the username suggests so?

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 12:59

Calmhappyandhealthy · 18/12/2024 12:15

Exactly 👍

She meant eh?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/12/2024 13:03

AlertCat · 17/12/2024 20:07

It seems odd that she’s not only changed her mind about something which used to be fundamental for you both, but is also going about it in a really aggressive way. Refusing to compromise is odd. I’d be looking for a motive I think. Does her dc need money? Has she misled you about her wealth and income, or lost some? Where is this sudden need to share everything coming from?

You saved me typing much the same, AlertCat, and like you I'd wonder where this sudden change has come from ... something going on with her DC perhaps?

For me at least it wouldn't be happening, and if the partner wanted to throw things away for this reason then so be it
Somehow I doubt she'll do it though ...

Bananalanacake · 18/12/2024 13:17

Can't you enjoy the relationship without getting married or living together.

LadyMargaretPoledancer · 18/12/2024 13:24

I think when she realises she's over played her hand she'll miraculously change her tune.

Question is @JustSomeRamdomGuy how will you react when she does this knowing what you now know?

BettyBardMacDonald · 18/12/2024 13:34

Good riddance. What a blatant gold digger.

If you're a nice, reasonably attractive man willing to date women in their 50s, you will have pick of the litter out there. You shan't be lonely for long.

Next time, keep your financial situation to yourself.

bigkidatheart · 18/12/2024 14:01

pre nup

Whatafustercluck · 18/12/2024 14:02

You sound lovely op, and eminently sensible as well as reasonable. She, on the other hand, sounds like a piece of work and I think you're trying to be too reasonable and accommodating of a woman who sounds like she sees you as a soft touch and a meal ticket. Had you been younger and planning a family, I'd be erring on ensuring her future interests in the event of separation are catered for (in terms of childcare costs, responsibilities etc). But with her current militant approach, I'd be receiving huge alarm bells. She stands to gain far, far more from this and you stand to lose far, far more. Please don't allow yourself to be bullied into marrying this woman. Stand your ground, call her bluff: if she wants marriage, that's your offer. If she refuses, then cheerio.

WhatShallIdo11 · 18/12/2024 14:03

@JustSomeRamdomGuy - i am watching this thread with interest! I have been married twice -1st one was 20 years and 2 children and the 2nd one 16 years no children. My 1st husband was pretty generous when we divorced as he wanted his children to have a secure roof over their heads. Unfortunately 2nd one was not. Although I owned a property outright and paid all the bills relating to it - he gave my £200 per month towards food and that was only after 4 years of being together as he never had any money despite working - when we divorced because I refused to bail him out for the 3rd time for credit cards debts during our relationship - he asked for a divorce and got half of everything. I had to sell my home, take on a mortgage at 58, and start again. Fortunately I had a good job so managed to have a reasonable life style. I am now 67(retired) and my partner is 65 (probably retiring in the next year) and has no children. We are discussing me moving in with him - he has far more assets than I do - his property is worth 3 times mine. We have both agreed that we will not marry. His last long term relationship finished in exactly the same circumstances that you are now in. If we do move in together, we have decided that I will retain my property (perhaps rent it out but not decided) and I will contribute to the extra fuel, food etc. I will not put myself in the position I was in with my 2nd husband and although my partner has more to lose than me, I am just not going there. I thought my 2nd husband and I had a really good marriage - just shows you. I echo most on here - DO NOT DO IT.

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 14:04

Whatafustercluck · 18/12/2024 14:02

You sound lovely op, and eminently sensible as well as reasonable. She, on the other hand, sounds like a piece of work and I think you're trying to be too reasonable and accommodating of a woman who sounds like she sees you as a soft touch and a meal ticket. Had you been younger and planning a family, I'd be erring on ensuring her future interests in the event of separation are catered for (in terms of childcare costs, responsibilities etc). But with her current militant approach, I'd be receiving huge alarm bells. She stands to gain far, far more from this and you stand to lose far, far more. Please don't allow yourself to be bullied into marrying this woman. Stand your ground, call her bluff: if she wants marriage, that's your offer. If she refuses, then cheerio.

Edited

If you are a man , would you marry this kind of woman then.

Whatafustercluck · 18/12/2024 14:08

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 14:04

If you are a man , would you marry this kind of woman then.

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand you. Would I marry a woman who seems in it only for the money? Or would I marry a woman who was protecting her wealth?

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 14:13

Dear poster, I just read the other thread. LOL. The woman has been telling you she doesn't like you and wants to move on, but you have been telling her to keep trying. Since she does not find anything amazing in you and you have been forcing her to try and keep trying ( despite her clear rejection of you), she decided at least to get something out of you which she likes - the money. You should put the other thread content on here since it is makes it extremely clear.

The lady finds you extremely irritating , not sure why. This is my feeling and sorry for you.

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 14:15

I can see it now clearly. She is not a gold digger. She just told you what she wants, to move on, but you keep pestering her to keep trying. Sit and ponder it a bit. If you get married, she will be even more irritated with you since living with a man you really do not like anymore is very very constricting ...I am sorry for you but her also. Why she should be pestered for trying and then given a partial marriage offer. Both of you have to admit it is the end and move on.

Maddy70 · 18/12/2024 14:20

My dad was in a similar position. They both had wills drawn up so that whatever they brought into the marriage went to their children the rest went to each other

Saschka · 18/12/2024 14:24

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:50

If we'd been together 10 years I'd feel a lot better about it.

We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.

Oh well there you go then. She can see your relationship is on the rocks and sees your money slipping out of her hands. She thinks a quickie wedding will stop her losing access to your money when the two of you break up.

TwistedWonder · 18/12/2024 14:28

OP I’ve just read your other thread and all I can say is FFS open your eyes. She’s told you she doesn’t like you, doesn’t enjoy being with you and the only think that would make her tolerate you any longer is getting married and having access to all of your money. But you don’t think she’s a gold digger - come on for an intelligent man that’s, you’re acting ridiculously stupidly to consider staying with this brazen grifter

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 14:33

TwistedWonder · 18/12/2024 14:28

OP I’ve just read your other thread and all I can say is FFS open your eyes. She’s told you she doesn’t like you, doesn’t enjoy being with you and the only think that would make her tolerate you any longer is getting married and having access to all of your money. But you don’t think she’s a gold digger - come on for an intelligent man that’s, you’re acting ridiculously stupidly to consider staying with this brazen grifter

I doubt he does not see this. She is not a gold digger. He just keeps pestering her so much for trying that she had enough and told him what the is the only thing she likes about him. Gold diggers won't be that straightforward, a sarcastic-i-had-enough-of-you pestering me woman will do this.

A gold-digger would be all kind and saucy and nice and spicy until got totally believing her and she got the whole lot.

cheezncrackers · 18/12/2024 14:39

Pre-nups are hard to enforce OP. So even if you have one to ring-fence your pre-marital assets, if she decides to divorce you and challenge it, she may well win. So I think you're doing the right thing.

FavourCraver · 18/12/2024 14:39

Very suspicious. I’d be questioning her intentions tbh. Be careful.

LoveSandbanks · 18/12/2024 14:42

I’ve just gone back to your earlier thread and I’m going to say this once and once only. Your dp is an abusive piece of shit. Don’t walk away, run away from them

All this we’ve got nothing in common bullshit. But I’ll consider staying with you if you buy us a big house and marry me??? There is no basis here for a marriage. Call their bluff, tell them you agree, you’ve both got nothing in common and it’s time to call it a day. You’ve got little to gain here and far too much to lose. And for the love of god, make sure that you SOLID contraception if you are continuing to have sex with them.

They will make your life a living hell the minute they have access to your funds. I wouldn’t be surprised if they started physically abusing you as soon as you’ve purchased “their” house.

This is not your soulmate, the relationship with your soulmate does not require counselling within the first few years.

TwistedWonder · 18/12/2024 14:44

BettyBardMacDonald · 18/12/2024 13:34

Good riddance. What a blatant gold digger.

If you're a nice, reasonably attractive man willing to date women in their 50s, you will have pick of the litter out there. You shan't be lonely for long.

Next time, keep your financial situation to yourself.

Absolutely. The pool of eligible older men is shallower than a puddle so a guy like you would have no problem finding dates with non materialistic women.

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 15:27

Having read the other thread it appears this woman is desperate to get you off her back @JustSomeRamdomGuy. Do her a favour and leave her alone.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/12/2024 15:32

I think when she realises she's over played her hand she'll miraculously change her tune

So do I, @LadyMargaretPoledancer; not many like this would willingly give up their golden goose, but whether OP will be able to see her in quite the same way in future is something else - especially since, having read the other thread, I now believe she's got golddigger written across every pore