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Marriage for older couple with large wealth disparity

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JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 19:58

Me and DP have been together for 3½ years. We do not have children together but DP has one child from a previous relationship. I love them both very much.

At the start of the relationship we discussed marriage, and we both agreed it wasn't something we'd ever want, despite being fully committed to each other and considering each other as life partners (neither of use are religious and we're both kind of non-conformist and were not motivated by the tradition).

Recently DP changed her mind on this and has now become adamant that she wants to get married and have completely joint finances, and she will leave me otherwise.

This puts me in quite an uncomfortable situation because of our respective financial situations.

I have had a lucrative but very high stress career. I'm not a particularly money motivated person and have lived frugally all my life. I'm now in a position where I am planning to retire within the next 5-10 years. I have a NW of roughly £1.5M. DP has a good job and earns quite well (very proud of her) but she only has savings of around 70K. And I do out-earn her currently by around 4X.

I've agreed to the marriage on the condition that premarital assets should be off the table if we ever ended up divorcing (of course you don't plan for it, but you never know).

I have no issue with joint finance and sharing all income going forward. That would mean me contributing 3-4X what she would, and that would be "our" money forever no matter what happens (split 50/50 if we separated). All income, pension, inheritance, or whatever else, shared completely from the point of marriage.

For "my" (i.e. the premarital) money, I consider it to be "ours" for as long as we are together. Anything she needs, or her DC needs, she'll have it. If we need a bigger house, I'll pay for it. My only condition is that if she ever leaves me, she doesn't get to take half of it with her. Only in that sense, it's still "mine".

I consider this a pretty good deal for DP. If we stay together as planned, she'd be able to retire in her 50s and we could travel the world together. Even in the unfortunate scenario that we were to split up after a few years, she'd still have done very well out of it financially and be in a good position to do whatever she'd want to do next in life.

But this is not satisfactory for DP. She insists that true commitment means "sharing everything" and that all premarital assets need to be split 50/50 in divorce.

My issue with this is that the "financial commitment" that she sees as being so important, is almost exclusively coming from me. There's no commitment from her because there's no risk for her. She'd end up rich (relative to where she is now) whatever happened. I'd be in a position where I'd lose so much by leaving, but she would lose nothing by leaving.

This doesn't seem fair, or balanced, or equitable, to me. Even disregarding my obvious self interests, it just seems to to be a really bad foundation for a relationship, because of the inevitable power imbalance it would cause.

I think DP should also be considering my needs and security, and be open to an arrangement which benefits us both as a couple and as individuals, without exposing me (and only me) to such risk. If roles were reversed, I'd want to protect my partner so that they could feel completely secure in the relationship.

So my answer is "no", and now she's leaving me.

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her". She thinks I'm being overly analytical and "treating it like a business deal". She says I shouldn't even be thinking about it as losing "my" money, because it's all "our" money anyway. She says she'd rather be alone for the rest of her life than be with someone who won't share everything with her.

So, AIBU?

OP posts:
HisNibs · 17/12/2024 20:26

DP actually thinks they should be entitled to more than what would normally be included in a standard marriage/divorce

And there's your answer...

standardduck · 17/12/2024 20:27

YANBU.

I think you dodged the bullet.

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/12/2024 20:27

@JustSomeRamdomGuy You posted the exact same thread some weeks ago and got a ton of very good advice from very many people. What different advice are you expecting from this thread?

Mine is the same. The relationship is shit and the only loser here will be you. Marrying this woman will be the biggest mistake of your life.

FarmerLlama · 17/12/2024 20:29

I wouldn't get married, what is her rationale for wanting to do so? Does she want a ring? Fine buy a ring, does she want a party? Fine have a party. I'm afraid marriage gives you nothing.

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:29

HisNibs · 17/12/2024 20:26

DP actually thinks they should be entitled to more than what would normally be included in a standard marriage/divorce

And there's your answer...

I'm pretty sure she's not actually aware of that though. She probably just thinks it works that way (or at least should work that way).

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Purplecatshopaholic · 17/12/2024 20:30

Ooft. Do NOT marry this woman. I’m really sorry but she has ££ signs in her eyes. What you suggested was fine, but she wants more? Nope. It is not you yourself she loves op.

aCatCalledFawkes · 17/12/2024 20:31

Is she saying things like "we're not going to break up so it doesn't matter.

I do totally get your points though. I have nowhere near as much wealth as you but I have my own house, a decent pension, I'm starting to invest in S&S and have a stable career. My partner doesn't have this and I can't see us living together until I can see he's put more financial planning in.

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/12/2024 20:31

@JustSomeRamdomGuy You do realise, as I said on your last thread, that she will marry you, bide her time, divorce you and take 50/50. How can you be this blind? She's feathering her own nest. Don't be stupid.

marshmallowbum · 17/12/2024 20:31

You may have dodged a bullet as others have said.

It's sad she's not happy with what you are willing to offer. It's more than fair.

Justsayit123 · 17/12/2024 20:31

Unless you want to risk giving 50% away then tell her to do one.

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/12/2024 20:31

FarmerLlama · 17/12/2024 20:29

I wouldn't get married, what is her rationale for wanting to do so? Does she want a ring? Fine buy a ring, does she want a party? Fine have a party. I'm afraid marriage gives you nothing.

No she wants half of OP's wealth.

LetGoLetThem1234 · 17/12/2024 20:34

What's changed with your partner to cause such a change of mind? That's what I would want to find out. But I imagine she'd not going to be open and honest with you.

It would be relationship over for me.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 17/12/2024 20:35

Money aside, this is unacceptable behaviour. Anyone who says 'of you don't do this it's over' is a red flag.

StormingNorman · 17/12/2024 20:35

Marriage only benefits the financially weaker party. Your “D”P knows this and it is the reason why she has changed her mind about getting married. I wouldn’t marry in your shoes.

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:36

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/12/2024 20:27

@JustSomeRamdomGuy You posted the exact same thread some weeks ago and got a ton of very good advice from very many people. What different advice are you expecting from this thread?

Mine is the same. The relationship is shit and the only loser here will be you. Marrying this woman will be the biggest mistake of your life.

You have a very good memory 🙂

The other thread was mostly focussed on disagreements on a house purchase and some other financial stuff.

I wanted to focus here very specifically on the marriage issue, since this is the very core disagreement which has kind of precipitated everything.

I really just wanted to check myself. I'm losing the people I love most in the world, and don't want to look back with regret or with doubts that I did the wrong thing or didn't make enough effort to see her point of view.

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HisNibs · 17/12/2024 20:39

Based on what has been said in both threads... you need to drop the rope OP, walk/run and don't look back. You know the saying... when someone shows you who they really are, believe them.
All this crap she's saying that she's not sure she loves you etc (see other thread). More red flags than the CCP. Sorry OP.

AlertCat · 17/12/2024 20:42

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:36

You have a very good memory 🙂

The other thread was mostly focussed on disagreements on a house purchase and some other financial stuff.

I wanted to focus here very specifically on the marriage issue, since this is the very core disagreement which has kind of precipitated everything.

I really just wanted to check myself. I'm losing the people I love most in the world, and don't want to look back with regret or with doubts that I did the wrong thing or didn't make enough effort to see her point of view.

You sound very nice and I’m really sorry this is turning out in such a way. But yeah, I remember your other thread now, and I think she has decided she wants what you’ve got but not with you. Who knows why.

Yetanothernewname101 · 17/12/2024 20:42

We have a similar situation regarding me earning a lot more than my other half. She however has family money tied up in property and on paper it evens itself out. That said, day to day running costs of our life fall mainly to me. It took about 10 years of us being together before we felt ready to get married. A lot of that was needing to trust each other completely and to combine our lives completely with no conditions. Everything goes into one account and everything goes out of it. We have the same amount each month goes into our personal spends accounts so we can still surprise each other for birthdays and Christmas etc.
Your financial proposition makes sense in a detached non-emotional way. It also has an undercurrent of you not fully trusting your partner to not take you for a ride. If you're insisting on a pre-nup it also suggests you're not completely committed for the long-term. Can you make a time to sit down and really talk everything through, and share your fears etc? It might help you to understand each others perspective and find a way to move forward.

WinterFoxes · 17/12/2024 20:43

You could accuse her of similar. That she seems to place no value on your love and future but is happy to leave now if you don't promise half your wealth should the marriage fail. If she loved you, she'd want to make a go of the marriage not strop off at the wealth disparity. If I were you, I'd be put off by the manipulation as well as the greed.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 17/12/2024 20:44

If this is real, which it probably isn't, then clearly you should run like the wind.

Dollshousedolly · 17/12/2024 20:48

Don’t marry this woman. It’s as clear she has an eye on your money and you can be pretty sure she’d ask for a divorce after a year or two. Do not do it.

Barney16 · 17/12/2024 20:48

Money is incredibly emotive and you sound like you love your partner and would like to remain a couple. However you have explained your feelings and come up with what you consider a solution and that solution isn't acceptable to your partner. Therefore I can't really see how you can move forward as a couple. That's very sad but ultimately some things just aren't meant to be.

CerealPoster · 17/12/2024 20:49

Fo you mind if I ask if this lady is from a different culture. I’ve lived in other countries and I saw a lot of this.

JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 20:50

Yetanothernewname101 · 17/12/2024 20:42

We have a similar situation regarding me earning a lot more than my other half. She however has family money tied up in property and on paper it evens itself out. That said, day to day running costs of our life fall mainly to me. It took about 10 years of us being together before we felt ready to get married. A lot of that was needing to trust each other completely and to combine our lives completely with no conditions. Everything goes into one account and everything goes out of it. We have the same amount each month goes into our personal spends accounts so we can still surprise each other for birthdays and Christmas etc.
Your financial proposition makes sense in a detached non-emotional way. It also has an undercurrent of you not fully trusting your partner to not take you for a ride. If you're insisting on a pre-nup it also suggests you're not completely committed for the long-term. Can you make a time to sit down and really talk everything through, and share your fears etc? It might help you to understand each others perspective and find a way to move forward.

If we'd been together 10 years I'd feel a lot better about it.

We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.

OP posts:
Yetanothernewname101 · 17/12/2024 20:50

Yetanothernewname101 · 17/12/2024 20:42

We have a similar situation regarding me earning a lot more than my other half. She however has family money tied up in property and on paper it evens itself out. That said, day to day running costs of our life fall mainly to me. It took about 10 years of us being together before we felt ready to get married. A lot of that was needing to trust each other completely and to combine our lives completely with no conditions. Everything goes into one account and everything goes out of it. We have the same amount each month goes into our personal spends accounts so we can still surprise each other for birthdays and Christmas etc.
Your financial proposition makes sense in a detached non-emotional way. It also has an undercurrent of you not fully trusting your partner to not take you for a ride. If you're insisting on a pre-nup it also suggests you're not completely committed for the long-term. Can you make a time to sit down and really talk everything through, and share your fears etc? It might help you to understand each others perspective and find a way to move forward.

and I've just spotted your later posts about how she thinks she would get more than half.
@JustSomeRamdomGuy run for the hills my friend. Trust your spidey senses on this. It doesn't smell right.

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