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Marriage for older couple with large wealth disparity

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JustSomeRamdomGuy · 17/12/2024 19:58

Me and DP have been together for 3½ years. We do not have children together but DP has one child from a previous relationship. I love them both very much.

At the start of the relationship we discussed marriage, and we both agreed it wasn't something we'd ever want, despite being fully committed to each other and considering each other as life partners (neither of use are religious and we're both kind of non-conformist and were not motivated by the tradition).

Recently DP changed her mind on this and has now become adamant that she wants to get married and have completely joint finances, and she will leave me otherwise.

This puts me in quite an uncomfortable situation because of our respective financial situations.

I have had a lucrative but very high stress career. I'm not a particularly money motivated person and have lived frugally all my life. I'm now in a position where I am planning to retire within the next 5-10 years. I have a NW of roughly £1.5M. DP has a good job and earns quite well (very proud of her) but she only has savings of around 70K. And I do out-earn her currently by around 4X.

I've agreed to the marriage on the condition that premarital assets should be off the table if we ever ended up divorcing (of course you don't plan for it, but you never know).

I have no issue with joint finance and sharing all income going forward. That would mean me contributing 3-4X what she would, and that would be "our" money forever no matter what happens (split 50/50 if we separated). All income, pension, inheritance, or whatever else, shared completely from the point of marriage.

For "my" (i.e. the premarital) money, I consider it to be "ours" for as long as we are together. Anything she needs, or her DC needs, she'll have it. If we need a bigger house, I'll pay for it. My only condition is that if she ever leaves me, she doesn't get to take half of it with her. Only in that sense, it's still "mine".

I consider this a pretty good deal for DP. If we stay together as planned, she'd be able to retire in her 50s and we could travel the world together. Even in the unfortunate scenario that we were to split up after a few years, she'd still have done very well out of it financially and be in a good position to do whatever she'd want to do next in life.

But this is not satisfactory for DP. She insists that true commitment means "sharing everything" and that all premarital assets need to be split 50/50 in divorce.

My issue with this is that the "financial commitment" that she sees as being so important, is almost exclusively coming from me. There's no commitment from her because there's no risk for her. She'd end up rich (relative to where she is now) whatever happened. I'd be in a position where I'd lose so much by leaving, but she would lose nothing by leaving.

This doesn't seem fair, or balanced, or equitable, to me. Even disregarding my obvious self interests, it just seems to to be a really bad foundation for a relationship, because of the inevitable power imbalance it would cause.

I think DP should also be considering my needs and security, and be open to an arrangement which benefits us both as a couple and as individuals, without exposing me (and only me) to such risk. If roles were reversed, I'd want to protect my partner so that they could feel completely secure in the relationship.

So my answer is "no", and now she's leaving me.

She thinks I'm "more sacred of losing my money than of losing her". She thinks I'm being overly analytical and "treating it like a business deal". She says I shouldn't even be thinking about it as losing "my" money, because it's all "our" money anyway. She says she'd rather be alone for the rest of her life than be with someone who won't share everything with her.

So, AIBU?

OP posts:
Raininginparadise2 · 17/12/2024 23:19

I'll repeat what I said in your previous thread. She is after your money. Do not marry her.

summerinsiam · 17/12/2024 23:45

We've done 3½ years, never actually lived together (wanted to but were unable to due to circumstances outside our control), and spent most of the last year in couple's counselling.

We're not currently in a place where we should be talking about marriage at all in my opinion.

Never lived together before, amd in couple's counselling! And she wants to go from that to married and making massive demans on your money!

I said I would leave my money to her DC if we split up. If we are together then of course she'll be getting everything. Plus my life insurance which is an additional £800K.

I'd be thinking you may find yourself dying sooner rather than later in that case.

healthybychristmas · 17/12/2024 23:52

Oh my God no I wouldn't marry her! She is showing her true colours! What you are offering is more than reasonable. What she is asking is completely unreasonable. She sounds like a gold digger.

ZenNudist · 17/12/2024 23:54

Don't walk, run away from this relationship. Certainly don't cave to emotional blackmail. I think she's eyeing up the drop in lifestyle and comfortable future prospects if you split and putting the screws on you to lock down half your wealth.

If she cated your offer would have been enough. It's fair.

I'm sure another gold digger will be along any minute. Move on with your life.

healthybychristmas · 17/12/2024 23:56

You know what, what you think of us love isn't love. This woman is out for what she can get. You sound very kind and generous and honestly it sounds to say you've been completely taken in by her. It's absolute bollocks that she would rather live alone than be with someone who didn't share all of his money with her even if they split up.

I think you should call a halt to any changes whatsoever and see a really good therapist for several months to look at why you think you deserve someone who treats you as badly as this.

And by the way I think it's horrible that she goes on holiday without you! I'm not talking about trips away with her daughter but generally, why isn't she going on holiday with you?

PixelatedLunchbox · 18/12/2024 00:03

I believe she is 100% planning on leaving you and wants to marry you so she can take a chunk of your wealth. Run a mile from this one.

ByHardyAquaFox · 18/12/2024 00:04

Don't even consider marrying this leech.
Run for the hills. Run for your life.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 18/12/2024 00:24

She is taking the piss. Do not do it!

healthybychristmas · 18/12/2024 00:49

PixelatedLunchbox · 18/12/2024 00:03

I believe she is 100% planning on leaving you and wants to marry you so she can take a chunk of your wealth. Run a mile from this one.

She's actually telling him that's what she will do!

saraclara · 18/12/2024 07:40

I've encouraged her to save everything she can (into her own pension and ISAs) because I can easily cover the bills and day to day living expenses

You don't live together. So have you been paying the bills related to her home, and her living expenses? As well as your own?

Whyherewego · 18/12/2024 07:51

You've been together just over 3 years and already in counselling.
As you said, marriage is not really on the cards at the moment and nor should it be for her. She's either not in love with you or she's having some sudden financial panic or both.

You asked if there's an angle or POV you're not seeing and the answer is no. It's not normal for these kind of second /later relationships. She's got a DC, so if for example you lost all your money overnight, would she expect to share her money ? I'd say not because she has a DC and needs to think about them too.
So whatever her reasons, she's not thinking rationally. She's got enough money to live on herself so she doesn't need your money to survive and so I'm afraid if this is a dealbreaker, it's over

EnterFunnyNameHere · 18/12/2024 07:57

If you've only been together 3.5 years, and one of those its been so bad you need counselling, I really don't think marriage should be on the cards at all! You don't even live together yet!!

Edit: if you're still attending counselling, could you bring it up there? Maybe she would take it more rationally coming from your counsellor?

LadyMargaretPoledancer · 18/12/2024 08:24

It must be really hard reading all these responses @JustSomeRamdomGuy

When the scales fall from our eyes and we see people for who they really are it's really painful.

You effectively asked your partner, what do you care more about me or my money? and she answered - the money

You have a very clear answer and I can see how upsetting that must be.

You don't need to worry about unanswered questions or regrets now, you know exactly where you stand.

Deep breath and move on with your life.

YankeeDad · 18/12/2024 08:55

LadyMargaretPoledancer · 18/12/2024 08:24

It must be really hard reading all these responses @JustSomeRamdomGuy

When the scales fall from our eyes and we see people for who they really are it's really painful.

You effectively asked your partner, what do you care more about me or my money? and she answered - the money

You have a very clear answer and I can see how upsetting that must be.

You don't need to worry about unanswered questions or regrets now, you know exactly where you stand.

Deep breath and move on with your life.

^this

Eyresandgraces · 18/12/2024 09:17

@JustSomeRamdomGuy there are some dp’s who will be exactly what they think you want them to be at the beginning of a relationship. Especially if you’re comfortably off and fairly generous.
Unfortunately if this is a pretence then eventually the cracks will show, a dp cannot carry on living a lie forever.

I suspect your dp was attracted to you initially because you were financially stable, generous with money and had no dc or ex’s to muddy the waters.
Now your dp would like the commitment of marriage and your money because that’s what she likes most about you.
She doesn’t, imo, love you for yourself and may even find you irritating.
If you marry it won’t be long before you live separate lives in a golden cage and eventually, when your dp thinks it financially worth doing she’ll pull the plug and walk away better off.

I suspect that if you stick to firm boundaries all will become clear.

Dweetfidilove · 18/12/2024 11:06

I like a CF who shows their hands early, as it's better than being led blindly into a disastrous arrangement.

She's fed you the right lines that have led you to fall in love with her, but the relationship isn't working. You're now in counselling, which may be shining a light on the ills of your relationship, likely bringing it to an end.
I'm guessing this is the basis for this more aggressive stance - lock you into marriage so you stay and provide a better lifestyle, or divorce and leave her wealthier.

I hope you've already started running...

Rosiecidar · 18/12/2024 11:16

If you have been together for three years and the last year in couple's counselling she may well feel a marriage has a strong chance of failing and is seeking the best outcome in those circumstances.
May I ask how old you both are ? She is either manipulative or naive.

TwistedWonder · 18/12/2024 11:22

Oh come on OP, she’s not even making an attempt to hide her gold digging. She’s waving huge red flags right in front of your face.

This woman is only interested in your money not you. Your relationship is faltering and she’s got her eye on the prize before it falls apart.

DO NOT MARRY THIS GOLD DIGGER - she’ll want a divorce and half your assets before the ink even dry on the marriage certificate

healthybychristmas · 18/12/2024 11:27

I'm wondering whether the OP gets a lot of private messages from women when he posts like this.

GasPanic · 18/12/2024 11:32

I don't know why you would even consider marriage in this situation.

JustWalkingTheDogs · 18/12/2024 11:36

Isn't it funny that the person with the least financial stability always wants to marry and share the wealth.

Tbh in your shoes op I'd not bother marrying unless she's happy with your proposal

arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 11:40

healthybychristmas · 18/12/2024 11:27

I'm wondering whether the OP gets a lot of private messages from women when he posts like this.

He??

SundayBorn · 18/12/2024 11:45

As soon as I got to “lucrative” you confirmed my suspicions. There was no need to read further.
I’m another woman telling you to get rid of her OP.

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 11:49

generally, why isn't she going on holiday with you?

Could be all sorts of reasons. Maybe they don’t want to go to the same places? I have several holidays planned without my bloke because he has no interest in those destinations.

NornIsland · 18/12/2024 12:02

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 11:49

generally, why isn't she going on holiday with you?

Could be all sorts of reasons. Maybe they don’t want to go to the same places? I have several holidays planned without my bloke because he has no interest in those destinations.

Maybe she goes with or to another BF....who is pushing her to marry the OP and then clean him him out with a divorce before they can be together!!!

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