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how to handle my controlling SIL

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:06

Sorry for this long-winded message but I've had enough!

My SIL has serious control issues. She tries to micromanage every part of her life, and as much as she can get away with, those around her. Her husband is a puppet, running around all day trying to please her. It’s honestly hard to watch and always makes me feel uncomfortable around them. He just quietly gets on with things despite noticeably not always being happy or because it interferes with something he is doing or wanting to do. She speaks for him, (even when present!), plans his itinerary and who he will hang out with (more on that later..), and even tells him when to go to bed! This dynamic seems to work for them strangely, but it’s odd and I’m even concerned that one day he will not take it any longer and something bad will happen.

What affects me, though, is how manipulative she is when it comes to influencing family situations, including her brother's time (my partner) and mine, directly or indirectly. She never communicates with me to make plans or check that there are no clashes or other issues. Rather, she goes through my partner for everything. She does this because she knows she’ll get what she wants from him, agreeing to everything and getting him on board. If she had discussed it with me, she would be 'risking' that I might ask questions or, god forbid, suggest a different plan which contradicts her fixed vision of perfection and makes her feel not in control. It’s really her way or the highway.

In 18 years, I can count on one hand how many times we’ve actually spoken, let alone made plans jointly despite finding ourselves a few weeks a year getting together as a family. My partner, unfortunately, doesn’t challenge her. He admits he finds her controlling behaviour annoying sometimes but has this strange fear of upsetting her (same goes for her mum, and the younger siblings). He just goes along with whatever she wants and then vents to me later. He hates confrontation.

Her methods are subtle—always calm and softly spoken—but after years of observing her, her controlled manner feels very passive-aggressive. She has a particular way of saying things, describing what is going to happen while providing one-sided and the 'only option' reasoning which makes you feel you have nothing to add to the conversation. I never found her genuine and I am very good at sniffing this kind of people.

This Christmas, she asked to stay with us for a few days (well not really asked, but rather declared politely). As usual, all plans were discussed and finalised without my knowledge, and I just got the bottom line and the exact day-by-day itinerary. Every night was mapped out, including one evening when she suggested that her husband take my partner for dinner while she went out for dinner with her friends. The excuse was so he can treat my partner for his birthday he’d missed, but for context, it was my birthday to around the same time, yet I was not part of either plan.

I found it hurtful to be excluded like this as it had very little meaning the two of them go for dinner alone, in particular, because it’s all around Christmas time and they are staying with us, yet she didn’t even find a single night to ensure the 4 of us hang out together. But what’s more disturbing comes next. My partner, sensing my disappointment and that something was a bit 'off', asked her if she could invite me to join her and her friends, citing that I was having a tough time at the moment (which is true). Her response was a straight-up “no, it won’t work” message I accidentally saw popped up on his phone.

At that point, I’d had enough. I sent her a polite message saying that unfortunately, they couldn’t stay with us this time because I was dealing with difficult personal issues and wanted to be alone (and really at that point could not bear her presence in my house). Guess what happens next. Within seconds, she texted my partner asking him what was going on and why I said what I said. Coincidently, I saw this message also (his phone was just next to me) I then replied to her with "Oh, I see you just message X. If you have any questions feel free to call me".

I knew exactly what she was doing—bypassing me so that he’d come and guilt-trip me into changing my mind which is exactly what happened. He was angry I messaged her without asking him. I replied that I was entitled to communicate with whoever I wanted without his consent, including his sister.

Despite years of asking my partner to handle her better, I’ve given up and feel I need to take matters into my own hands. This passive-aggressive intrusion must stop! So, two questions really –

  • AIBU to tell her she can’t stay with us this time?
  • Would it be a good idea to be brutally honest with her and tell her how I feel about her style of comms? Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all.

Thank you for getting all the way here! I appreciate your thoughts.

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Fraaances · 17/12/2024 00:16

Tell him that if arrangements are made that affect you, then he can expect that you are going to undo their plans. He is not an innocent lamb. He is doing what he wants too. He is just using her as an excuse to hide behind.

Pensionswew · 17/12/2024 00:23

How long are you this weak scared little man?
He is your problem.
Do not allow her to stay, repeat it doesn't suit.

Do NOT get into any discussion with her.
Too late.
It is not in your best interests to discuss this and be further manipulated.
She's a rude bitch and I simply wouldn't entertain her or any plans she makes.
I also would back away from his family and avoid them.

Stop tolerating the manipulation.
Stop attending family events if you are not consulted first.
Be unavailable.
Start being difficult and make your partners life a lot less comfortable.

Blueuggboots · 17/12/2024 00:24

Don't explain. Repeat that it doesn't work for you. And then stop talking. It's really hard to do it!! Don't be scared of silence.

It's incredibly rude for her to organise to stay at your house and then exclude you from plans.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:28

@Fraaances I'm not denying he is weak and it irritates the hell out. Thank you

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:30

@Pensionswew we have kids who love their aunt. It's difficult. She managed to manipulate them also and my DD adores her.

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SiobhanSharpe · 17/12/2024 00:30

Blueuggboots · 17/12/2024 00:24

Don't explain. Repeat that it doesn't work for you. And then stop talking. It's really hard to do it!! Don't be scared of silence.

It's incredibly rude for her to organise to stay at your house and then exclude you from plans.

My god yes -- so, so rude!
I really hope you stick to your guns and they remain uninvited.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:31

@Blueuggboots you are 100% right. I just feel
It's so rude! How can I exploit to my partner who seems to think it's normal for him to go for dinner with his BIL alone?

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:32

Sorry meant to say 'explain' to my partner ...

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JingleB · 17/12/2024 00:32

I don’t understand why you would expect her to run arrangements past you - she’s making plans with her brother. I speak to my brother when we’re coming to see him and my DH speaks to his side of the family about any arrangements with them.

That’s just normal, isn’t it?

If the plans they are making aren’t ok, that’s an issue to take up with your partner.

Likewise, if you aren’t happy she and her husband are coming to stay, talk about it with your DP. If DH messaged my brother to tell him he wasn’t welcome, without a discussion with me, I would be absolutely furious.

Natty13 · 17/12/2024 00:37

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:31

@Blueuggboots you are 100% right. I just feel
It's so rude! How can I exploit to my partner who seems to think it's normal for him to go for dinner with his BIL alone?

I think in this situation you need to think "what would she do?" You have the mark of her which is good, but you have risen above it which has backfired on you. You say your partner hates confrontation but he isn't scared to confront you is he? There's a reason for that. Tackle this as she would if roles were reversed.

In situations with people like your SIL the best manipulator always wins. Is it nice? No. Is it fair? No. But it's true, so the sooner you accept it the better your life will become.

Winter2020 · 17/12/2024 00:38

Tell them to book a travelodge or similar.

Pensionswew · 17/12/2024 00:39

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:30

@Pensionswew we have kids who love their aunt. It's difficult. She managed to manipulate them also and my DD adores her.

That is what arch manipulators do, to make things more difficult.
She is not nice.
You are her mother so you know better.
Limit the access to your children.
Your husband is a waster.
You need to put your foot down.
Be difficult.
Stop making it easy for him to suit himself.
Make life difficult for him and he may re think his decision to let her away with her behaviour.

hban · 17/12/2024 00:39

i imagine she doesn’t directly communicate with you over plans, because she knows you don’t like her.

If I sensed a sil didn’t like me, I’d probably just communicate with the brother too.

jam packing a schedule to keep busy when visiting someone who doesn’t like you is also a good strategy to manage the time, so she might be doing this.

Fine to not have them there if you don’t want them there, but this is how I’ve interpreted this behaviour.

SiobhanSharpe · 17/12/2024 00:41

But this woman seems to be excluding the OP, her SIL, deliberately - she first invited herself to the OPs house without a by-your-leave, it was presented as a fait accompli.
Then arranged for all the grown ups to go out for the evening, again deliberately, leaving out her hostess, the OP.
Just how much ruder can you get?

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:42

@JingleB thanks. I wasn't saying she is not welcome directly. I was saying I'm not feeling great and that it would be difficult for me if they'd stayed this time - the only ever time in 18 yr which I have not wanted or agreed they would stay! It would be nice if I got a message directed to me enquiring if I'm ok and show some empathy or understanding like: "sorry you feel down and don't worry I understand and we can sort something out..."

Also, she did this all these years so it does starting to irritate me that it's normalised to block me off from comms. If it was occasionally and I knew she is capable of directly liaising with me also so that's fine, but it does feel manipulative and that is the issue I have.

Even when I suggests WhatsApp group to include everyone on a discussion somehow she either don't engage so there is no point really or I am told it's not really needed.

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Fraaances · 17/12/2024 00:43

@lizzifitzburg As soon as you get wind of it, you tell him “Oh, I already have plans with X/to see Wicked- whatever that night.” (Then you scramble - even if it means going to the cinema alone. And bloody do it.) Stop being soggy.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:44

@Natty13 thanks but I'm not sure I get what you suggest I'll do about this situation??

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Fraaances · 17/12/2024 00:44

*In fact, make plans for that whole week to cover your butt

Geppili · 17/12/2024 00:44

She is a manipulative bully. She avoids communications with you because you stand up to her unlike her blood relatives.

No way would I let her stay over Christmas! Just say it is too much for you at the moment.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:47

@hban yes I don't like her because I never found her genuine. And watching her behaviour towards others is highlighted how crazy she is.

Don't care what she sense of I like her or not but apparently she finds my house a very convenient place to base herself!

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crumblingschools · 17/12/2024 00:49

You need to be angry with your DH, if he does everything she asks/demands without considering you.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:51

@crumblingschools oh believe me I'm so angry with him but he always defend her and thing the problem is with me. We have countless arguments over this stover the years.

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3LemonsAndLime · 17/12/2024 00:54

Natty13 · 17/12/2024 00:37

I think in this situation you need to think "what would she do?" You have the mark of her which is good, but you have risen above it which has backfired on you. You say your partner hates confrontation but he isn't scared to confront you is he? There's a reason for that. Tackle this as she would if roles were reversed.

In situations with people like your SIL the best manipulator always wins. Is it nice? No. Is it fair? No. But it's true, so the sooner you accept it the better your life will become.

I think there are some separate issues here. I don’t have an issue with her communicating with her sibling directly about plans, I think it’s good and to be encouraged as often in life plans and the mental load are the sole domain of the woman in the relationship.

Your issue is with your husband. You say he agrees for an easy life, but he is happy to upset you, rather than her? I agree with the post above - you need to manipulate the situation back.

If he comes to you about her plans to stay, you say no and present him with all the reasons why it won’t work - you already have people coming over for dinner of X night, or are going out on Y night or the mattress in the spare room is broken, or the kids have X activity on etc etc. Be as reasonable as she is back, presenting the information that only YOUR way is the most reasonable and appropriate and her plan can’t happen.

3LemonsAndLime · 17/12/2024 00:56

Oh, and I don’t think you should confront her about her communication style. After the long, and this much success, I’d say she knows. And she won’t change just because you call her on it. She’ll just use your comments as an ‘attack’ and ‘you’ve never liked me’. Keep your powder dry and use your knowledge to circumvent her.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:56

@Geppili exactly this. I'm quite out spoken and confident and have my own ideas which I voice and noticed how it makes her nervous that I don't always align with her views.

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