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how to handle my controlling SIL

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:06

Sorry for this long-winded message but I've had enough!

My SIL has serious control issues. She tries to micromanage every part of her life, and as much as she can get away with, those around her. Her husband is a puppet, running around all day trying to please her. It’s honestly hard to watch and always makes me feel uncomfortable around them. He just quietly gets on with things despite noticeably not always being happy or because it interferes with something he is doing or wanting to do. She speaks for him, (even when present!), plans his itinerary and who he will hang out with (more on that later..), and even tells him when to go to bed! This dynamic seems to work for them strangely, but it’s odd and I’m even concerned that one day he will not take it any longer and something bad will happen.

What affects me, though, is how manipulative she is when it comes to influencing family situations, including her brother's time (my partner) and mine, directly or indirectly. She never communicates with me to make plans or check that there are no clashes or other issues. Rather, she goes through my partner for everything. She does this because she knows she’ll get what she wants from him, agreeing to everything and getting him on board. If she had discussed it with me, she would be 'risking' that I might ask questions or, god forbid, suggest a different plan which contradicts her fixed vision of perfection and makes her feel not in control. It’s really her way or the highway.

In 18 years, I can count on one hand how many times we’ve actually spoken, let alone made plans jointly despite finding ourselves a few weeks a year getting together as a family. My partner, unfortunately, doesn’t challenge her. He admits he finds her controlling behaviour annoying sometimes but has this strange fear of upsetting her (same goes for her mum, and the younger siblings). He just goes along with whatever she wants and then vents to me later. He hates confrontation.

Her methods are subtle—always calm and softly spoken—but after years of observing her, her controlled manner feels very passive-aggressive. She has a particular way of saying things, describing what is going to happen while providing one-sided and the 'only option' reasoning which makes you feel you have nothing to add to the conversation. I never found her genuine and I am very good at sniffing this kind of people.

This Christmas, she asked to stay with us for a few days (well not really asked, but rather declared politely). As usual, all plans were discussed and finalised without my knowledge, and I just got the bottom line and the exact day-by-day itinerary. Every night was mapped out, including one evening when she suggested that her husband take my partner for dinner while she went out for dinner with her friends. The excuse was so he can treat my partner for his birthday he’d missed, but for context, it was my birthday to around the same time, yet I was not part of either plan.

I found it hurtful to be excluded like this as it had very little meaning the two of them go for dinner alone, in particular, because it’s all around Christmas time and they are staying with us, yet she didn’t even find a single night to ensure the 4 of us hang out together. But what’s more disturbing comes next. My partner, sensing my disappointment and that something was a bit 'off', asked her if she could invite me to join her and her friends, citing that I was having a tough time at the moment (which is true). Her response was a straight-up “no, it won’t work” message I accidentally saw popped up on his phone.

At that point, I’d had enough. I sent her a polite message saying that unfortunately, they couldn’t stay with us this time because I was dealing with difficult personal issues and wanted to be alone (and really at that point could not bear her presence in my house). Guess what happens next. Within seconds, she texted my partner asking him what was going on and why I said what I said. Coincidently, I saw this message also (his phone was just next to me) I then replied to her with "Oh, I see you just message X. If you have any questions feel free to call me".

I knew exactly what she was doing—bypassing me so that he’d come and guilt-trip me into changing my mind which is exactly what happened. He was angry I messaged her without asking him. I replied that I was entitled to communicate with whoever I wanted without his consent, including his sister.

Despite years of asking my partner to handle her better, I’ve given up and feel I need to take matters into my own hands. This passive-aggressive intrusion must stop! So, two questions really –

  • AIBU to tell her she can’t stay with us this time?
  • Would it be a good idea to be brutally honest with her and tell her how I feel about her style of comms? Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all.

Thank you for getting all the way here! I appreciate your thoughts.

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Blackdovedown · 17/12/2024 06:09

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 17/12/2024 06:05

100% this. There are women on mumsnet who are frustrated that their DH's family treat them like his PA and Keeper of the Diary. It seems much more reasonable that his family make arrangements through him.

Likewise - you are supposed to be in a partnership. Don't text your DP's family to uninvite them without even a heads up to him first.

Sorry, but no! This isn’t a one off - it’s a pattern Of behaviours that had built up to this AND this is one OPs turf so yes, things do need to be run by her before plans are fixed.

My DP generally organises their side of the family, but I find it fucking irritating that I get very little say in what we’re doing and am expecting to go along with everything.

LAMPS1 · 17/12/2024 06:11

I'm quite out spoken and confident and have my own ideas which I voice and noticed how it makes her nervous that I don't always align with her views.

So why not stand up for yourself on this occasion too?

You say in your OP that it’s because you can’t be bothered as you know that her manipulation will follow, along with your guilt and then caving in.
You can’t be so cross with your husband for not being bothered and caving in when you say you would do the exact same thing.

She is, at least willing to talk to you now. Use that opportunity to explain all you have written above. You are not wrong to be cross, irritated, upset, sick of it all, but you do have to summon the courage and effort to meet up with her and stand up for yourself. That’s normal to do that. It doesn’t have to be a drama.

It’s your house too that she is invading without your permission and your time she is trying to organise. How dare she inflict all her detailed plans on you without you having opportunity to have an opinion on it all. She is rude and feels she has an entitlement over her brother even though he is married to you. She is bullying you OP, trying to take you down as she is a little bit fearful of you.

Don’t let this happen. She is getting away with her pure arrogance and you are letting her. Agree to meet her, and state your own case politely. You need her to make some changes in her communication as you are not prepared to be left out and manipulated/dictated to any more. Don’t allow her to interrupt. Tell her she doesn’t get to dictate your married life or diary or household and if she wants to come to stay, (or suggest any plans) she asks you both politely if it’s convenient and accepts your answer without argument, offence, manipulation or going behind your back. Tell her that her interference and manipulation is causing your DH stress because of her long lasting habit of ignoring you entirely which is totally unacceptable and very rude. . Have plenty of examples ready to give her.
Tell her how it will be in the future and that you are prepared to resume normal loving family time together if she can agree to make the few small changes you suggest and be more respectful of your feelings.

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Lairymary · 17/12/2024 06:17

Imagine how pissed off she would be if you went along with the plans and then jumped in on the dinner with her brother and husband, and you all had a lovely time without her. She would be fizzing.

labamba007 · 17/12/2024 06:18

There's no way my husband would arrange family to stay without speaking with me first (and vice-versa), this is bizzare. You might not want to hear it but this is a DH problem!

Blackdovedown · 17/12/2024 06:20

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I’m the same in general, happy to speak up but it’s completely different when you’re being manipulated like this and your DP has already been got onside as it were, and everyone wants to tiptoe around someone for a quiet life.
I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been told that SIL just wants everyone to have a good time or make the most of the time on holiday etc…

it’s a form of coercive control, and it doesn’t happen immediately - it’s starts subtly. SIL deffo ramped it up when herDCs were born and suddenly its was all about what was best for DIL because of the kids - which I get to a degree- but it didn’t change when this kids got older and it didn’t change when we had babies.
We were expected to fall in line still even with babies/toddlers in tow.

As I said though, it’s generally for a couple of weeks once a year so manageable…

GravyBoatWars · 17/12/2024 06:21

Lairymary · 17/12/2024 06:17

Imagine how pissed off she would be if you went along with the plans and then jumped in on the dinner with her brother and husband, and you all had a lovely time without her. She would be fizzing.

Or maybe she wouldn’t care one damn bit and was just not making plans for OP because OP doesn’t want plans made for her.

I do find it curious that OP’s husband didn’t invite her along to his dinner with BIL and instead tried to get OP to be included with the loathed SIL and her friends (who I’m assuming OP doesn’t know). Maybe he does actually want to go have dinner with just his BIL.

Fraaances · 17/12/2024 06:23

If they’re staying make it clear to all that you are in the middle of a very important assignment and must not be disturbed. You don’t have time to cook, clean, etc… it’s all up to DH to prepare.

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NeedToAskPlease · 17/12/2024 06:26

Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all

Why are you angry at your DH when you're just as weak as him then?

buttonousmaximous · 17/12/2024 06:31

Your dh is the issue. It's normal she would speak to her sibling to arrange plans but he shouldn't commit to things without checking with you.

With the meal he shouldn't commit to kg d have either declined going out with her partner or invited you along. Trying to get you an invite to her night out is a bit weird.

Bearbookagainandagain · 17/12/2024 06:33

LondonLawyer · 17/12/2024 01:49

I think this isn't really a SIL problem, it's a DH problem. I communicate with my own siblings far more than with my BIL, and DH with his brother far more than my siblings. But I don't make firm plans / arrangements / organise things with my siblings without talking to DH first, unless I already know he's happy with them, or he's going to be away for work, or whatever.

Yes, exactly this. My husband manage the conversation with his family but check with me that I'm happy with the dates and plans before anything is confirmed or suggested.

If your SIL has gone through her brother for 18 years to arrange plans and no one has raised issues, then how would she know it's a problem now.

Blackdovedown · 17/12/2024 06:45
  1. no she can’t stay this time - and that’s that.
  2. speak with your DH and say that you want to be consulted beforehe agrees to anything. This might help a bit. I know my DP still gets railroaded into stuff but at least I know about it before everything is finalised and once I know SIL s ‘schedule’ DP and I try to find some time to do something that we might like too sometimes. Doesn’t always pan out but at least we’ve tried!

SIL is still pissed off at us for going rogue on a holiday about 5 years ago and taking our kids off for the day to somewhere we really wanted to go! Was the best part of that whole holiday TBH.

DaringLion · 17/12/2024 06:48

DON’T give in and let them stay and if your husband moans tell him to go and stay with them there all fucking rude

Nofunnybusiness · 17/12/2024 06:57

I'm in a similar situation with SIL, I have asked DH to say "I just need to check with nofunnybusiness" when she (intentionally) tries to arrange things when I'm not there, if I am there I speak up (but always politely) to say that won't work but what about this instead- she invited herself to stay for 2 weeks once!!! It drives me mad that DH won't stand up to her though!!!

LouH1981 · 17/12/2024 07:03

Blueuggboots · 17/12/2024 00:24

Don't explain. Repeat that it doesn't work for you. And then stop talking. It's really hard to do it!! Don't be scared of silence.

It's incredibly rude for her to organise to stay at your house and then exclude you from plans.

I agree with this. The less detail you provide, the less she can pick it apart. Besides it will drive her insane that she doesn’t know EVERYTHING for once. It just feeds in to her pattern of control.
It won’t be pretty but it will send a very clear much needed message 💪🏻💪🏻

LoveRicePudding · 17/12/2024 07:07

I have an aunt. She's a manipulative toxic narcissist (and I know this is being overused now but hell, she's the definition of that word).
To her friends and former colleagues (retired): butter wouldn't melt. Sweet, nice, small woman. Great at manipulating her surroundings into believing she wants the best for everybody.
I cut her off my life that she tried to monopolise.
@lizzifitzburg , you're doing great. Stay firm. Tell your DD you're staying together as a family. Don't vilify your SIL, just try to limit their contact and take more time with your DD yourself. Try to create a space between your family and SIL.

Loopytiles · 17/12/2024 07:09

As often said on MN this is primarily a DH problem.

Don’t give in on them not visiting. I’d not engage with SIL or any of the other in laws about it.

If your H ‘punishes’ you for your decision, express your thoughts and feelings about HIS behaviour, choices and words over SiL. if you can afford it seek couple’s counselling for the new year.

His actions and words for years have been detrimental to your marriage.

Explain honestly to your DD the things about SiL’s recent behaviour that you have found unacceptable - help her to ‘see’ it. This is an important part of parenting teens IME, my parents had complex families and my mum explained things in a way that made clear that some things people had done / were doing were not OK but without hyperbole or vindictiveness.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 17/12/2024 07:26

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:31

@Blueuggboots you are 100% right. I just feel
It's so rude! How can I exploit to my partner who seems to think it's normal for him to go for dinner with his BIL alone?

It’s perfectly normal, and even if not”normal” who cares if they want to.

look, you don’t like her and feel left out, but that’s a you and your partner thing, I cant see what she has done wrong to justify this label to be honest.

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 07:37

@Blackdovedown that sounds so familiar!

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Hadalifeonce · 17/12/2024 07:47

Perhaps you need to be brutal with your DH.
We had a situation, big family thing, some staying with us, others in a local hotel. Several gatherings/meals at ours, plus out at restaurants.
DH said SiL had suggested something to him which was actually totally unreasonable with all the comings and goings. I told him several reasons why this would be impossible. I suggested he called her to explain, he obviously didn't want to.
We did get into a heated discussion about it, eventually, because he was totally dismissive all all of the, very valid, reasons I laid out; most of which he actually agreed with, but wanted to appease his sister.
I told him if that situation happened, I would leave and he could host everything, cooking looking after the children and his family.
He knew I would, so explained to his sister why it wouldn't work.

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