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how to handle my controlling SIL

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:06

Sorry for this long-winded message but I've had enough!

My SIL has serious control issues. She tries to micromanage every part of her life, and as much as she can get away with, those around her. Her husband is a puppet, running around all day trying to please her. It’s honestly hard to watch and always makes me feel uncomfortable around them. He just quietly gets on with things despite noticeably not always being happy or because it interferes with something he is doing or wanting to do. She speaks for him, (even when present!), plans his itinerary and who he will hang out with (more on that later..), and even tells him when to go to bed! This dynamic seems to work for them strangely, but it’s odd and I’m even concerned that one day he will not take it any longer and something bad will happen.

What affects me, though, is how manipulative she is when it comes to influencing family situations, including her brother's time (my partner) and mine, directly or indirectly. She never communicates with me to make plans or check that there are no clashes or other issues. Rather, she goes through my partner for everything. She does this because she knows she’ll get what she wants from him, agreeing to everything and getting him on board. If she had discussed it with me, she would be 'risking' that I might ask questions or, god forbid, suggest a different plan which contradicts her fixed vision of perfection and makes her feel not in control. It’s really her way or the highway.

In 18 years, I can count on one hand how many times we’ve actually spoken, let alone made plans jointly despite finding ourselves a few weeks a year getting together as a family. My partner, unfortunately, doesn’t challenge her. He admits he finds her controlling behaviour annoying sometimes but has this strange fear of upsetting her (same goes for her mum, and the younger siblings). He just goes along with whatever she wants and then vents to me later. He hates confrontation.

Her methods are subtle—always calm and softly spoken—but after years of observing her, her controlled manner feels very passive-aggressive. She has a particular way of saying things, describing what is going to happen while providing one-sided and the 'only option' reasoning which makes you feel you have nothing to add to the conversation. I never found her genuine and I am very good at sniffing this kind of people.

This Christmas, she asked to stay with us for a few days (well not really asked, but rather declared politely). As usual, all plans were discussed and finalised without my knowledge, and I just got the bottom line and the exact day-by-day itinerary. Every night was mapped out, including one evening when she suggested that her husband take my partner for dinner while she went out for dinner with her friends. The excuse was so he can treat my partner for his birthday he’d missed, but for context, it was my birthday to around the same time, yet I was not part of either plan.

I found it hurtful to be excluded like this as it had very little meaning the two of them go for dinner alone, in particular, because it’s all around Christmas time and they are staying with us, yet she didn’t even find a single night to ensure the 4 of us hang out together. But what’s more disturbing comes next. My partner, sensing my disappointment and that something was a bit 'off', asked her if she could invite me to join her and her friends, citing that I was having a tough time at the moment (which is true). Her response was a straight-up “no, it won’t work” message I accidentally saw popped up on his phone.

At that point, I’d had enough. I sent her a polite message saying that unfortunately, they couldn’t stay with us this time because I was dealing with difficult personal issues and wanted to be alone (and really at that point could not bear her presence in my house). Guess what happens next. Within seconds, she texted my partner asking him what was going on and why I said what I said. Coincidently, I saw this message also (his phone was just next to me) I then replied to her with "Oh, I see you just message X. If you have any questions feel free to call me".

I knew exactly what she was doing—bypassing me so that he’d come and guilt-trip me into changing my mind which is exactly what happened. He was angry I messaged her without asking him. I replied that I was entitled to communicate with whoever I wanted without his consent, including his sister.

Despite years of asking my partner to handle her better, I’ve given up and feel I need to take matters into my own hands. This passive-aggressive intrusion must stop! So, two questions really –

  • AIBU to tell her she can’t stay with us this time?
  • Would it be a good idea to be brutally honest with her and tell her how I feel about her style of comms? Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all.

Thank you for getting all the way here! I appreciate your thoughts.

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BasiliskStare · 17/12/2024 15:19

@lizzifitzburg if I'm honest I would just tell DP you'd like to out for dinner with them or just say - that sounds nice I'll join you. That' not begging. But this would be normal for most people. My DH was away once so I went out for dinner with his brother and his (DBIL's ) daughter .

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 17/12/2024 15:39

I think it's normal for discussions on arrangements to be made with family members that are closest, so its normal for her to contact her brother.

She does sound annoying and controlling but your husband is letting her. When she had every evening mapped out, he should have -

  • talked to you about dates and length of visit before agreeing to visiotrs. Its wrong to spring guests on your spouse for days at a time as a done deal
  • if yoh agreed to them visiting, said 'actually it's lizzy birthday so we want to keep a couple of nights free to do something

Why the fuck he asked if you could tag along with her friends instead of inviting you out with his brother/ telling them you had birthday plans, is anyone's guess

The only thing you can do is take a hard line with your husband. Either arrangements that suit both of you are agreed in advance, and he responds. Or all correspondence about arrangements is done through a WhatsApp group and if ita not on there, it's not happening

I'd also be telling him how hurt I was that he didn't plan to spend any time with me around my birthday, instead trying to plan my birthday night out on my behalf leaving me tagging along with a bunch of strangers

Why does he think it's OK to disagree and discuss things with you but feels he has to say 'yes' to every single thing from his sister without even a discussion around it

JollyZebra · 20/12/2024 19:23

Just repeat to both your SIL and your husband that you're not feeling up to having her visit and it's not happening this year. Tell both that you aren't changing your mind, and don't.

Griff1963 · 20/12/2024 19:56

Cut her out of your life ASAFP!

FABAND · 20/12/2024 19:57

I think I'd take a different route. your children like her. And she has scheduled everyone to be at her back and call at your house. So let her.
Book yourself a lovely hotel close by. Pitch up for the bits of Christmas that you want and have scheduled and enjoy. Then bugger off back to the hotel the minute the kids are tired and overwrought, the minute after lunch is done so theres no need to make small talk, wash up, make coffees or iron shirts etc for the hubby's night out with BIL. In short, have your Christmas your way. Let your hubby and SIL do everything. Cook the dinner, do the laundry, care for the children. After all, you were not included in those plans so you need not participate. Your husband is very aware of how you feel, so tell him what 'your' plans are for Xmas. After all, he surely will readily agree as he hates confrontation. If he can willing roll over and accept his sisters takeover of Christmas without consultation with you, How would he object to accepting your plans without consulting his lovely sister ?
It could be the most lovely relaxing Christmas you've had yet ! Part time parenting, no housekeeping catering or childcare. Just turning up for the best parts. Hehehehehehehehehe. Learn from the SIL to manipulate her into creating the Xmas YOU want. And enjoy Christmas with your children. But under NO circumstances are they coming to the hotel with you , nor are you babysitting them while all the other adults are having a night out.

CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet · 20/12/2024 20:19

Totally rude how disrespectful.
She sounds very odd cutting you out like that and refusing point blank to invite you out.

I agree with the use the words back it's not working.

I don't know how you can explain this to dd but maybe sow seeds.

Poppyseeds79 · 20/12/2024 20:32

OP you said you're annoyed she doesn't communicate with you directly. She's now offered to do that, and you don't want to speak to her about it? I don't think you can have it both ways to be honest.

WendyA22 · 20/12/2024 20:38

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:31

@Blueuggboots you are 100% right. I just feel
It's so rude! How can I exploit to my partner who seems to think it's normal for him to go for dinner with his BIL alone?

Well that would have been OK if you had been invited to her do. Leaving you out altogether, even though she's a guest at your house is just nasty.

CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet · 20/12/2024 20:47

@Poppyseeds79 op can do what she likes this person has organised their time in their home and deliberately cut op out.
Op need to push back however she wants

Poppyseeds79 · 20/12/2024 20:52

CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet · 20/12/2024 20:47

@Poppyseeds79 op can do what she likes this person has organised their time in their home and deliberately cut op out.
Op need to push back however she wants

If she's not willing to discuss it with her then it's neither pushing back, nor going to resolve anything.

CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet · 20/12/2024 21:01

You can't discuss with people like sil op just needs to put her foot down and say no

Imnotspecial · 20/12/2024 21:08
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user1492757084 · 20/12/2024 23:49

There is no issue with your SIL and her husband. That is none of your concern; they've worked out their relationship.

There is no issue with how SIL's family reacts with her. They, including your husband) have worked out the least disruptive way to deal with her for the few days per year that they closely interact. They don't lose sleep over her.

There is an issue with you and your husband. Your husband has not worked out a way to identify, buffer, protect you from times when his sister directly impacts your life.

There is also an issue with you and your SIL, as you know.

Your choices are ..

  • to accept SIL exactly like her family do.
  • to stay away from some family occasions.
  • to have your husband change and ALWAYS politely check with you before answering to SIL requests.
  • to behave always/sometimes in your own interests and strongly do what suits you most (and risk disharmony between DD, SIL, husband and anyone else who is in the vacinity.)

I would choose to ask husband to always consult (you would then have to be happy to do likewise with your family).
Your husband will have to be strong to counteract his sister sometimes.

You could also sometimes just accept SIL and other times be very busy doing your own lovely life.

This Christmas, I think you should agree that it will be great to go out with BIL and your husband. Would you feel comfortable to arrange a girly spa/massage outing for SIL, you and DD where you can relax and break bread together.

She will never change.

SALaw · 21/12/2024 01:05

All your anger is totally misplaced. This is a husband issue not a SIL issue. It is not remotely manipulative of her to make arrangements through her brother rather than you - he is her brother! And it doesn't sound like you like her so why on earth do you want to hang out with her, and even worse with her and her friends?! I agree that wouldn't work, you'd be a weird spare wheel. Just enjoy your night of peace without her if you don't like her! It was totally outrageous and petty of you to text her as you did. If plans were to be cancelled it should have been your partner doing the cancelling.

SALaw · 21/12/2024 01:12

Spaceid · 17/12/2024 08:51

Is this a reverse? If I had arranged to visit my brother and was all agreed, then his partner messages me to say it is cancelled, I would be a bit pissed off! Why couldn’t this come from my brother who I was arranging things with. Then I get a message asking to bring his partner (who doesn’t like and never bothers to speak to me) out with me and my friends!!! Too right I would be saying no.

The SIL doesn’t sound like the manipulative one here.

Totally agree

Miaminmoo · 21/12/2024 01:41

I feel your pain, not quite the same but for years my now ex SIL used to communicate with my MIL about plans and I would find out second-hand that they were planning on travelling to our City and staying at our house. When I pointed out that I would appreciate this being organised with me directly (since I am the one having to change beds and do most of the hosting) she would then deal with my husband who would blindly agree to anything. The last straw was when they used our house when we were away and left it like a shit tip - overflowing bins, dirty pots, beds that needed stripping - it was a real treat to come home from holiday to that. That was when my husband realised the imposition they caused and finally put some boundaries in place. You need to stick to your guns and I hope you feel better really soon as you sound like you have had a tough time.

LilyBartsHatShop · 21/12/2024 03:29

I'm with the minority report here.
OP, I'd suggest you stop "accidently" reading text messages on your husband's phone. And don't assume you have right of veto on SiL's visit as it's DH's home too.
Both these things would put my relationship in pretty dire straits. I think you need to sort stuff with your husband before addressing the strained relationship you have with SiL.

DreamTheMoors · 21/12/2024 04:24

My sister and SIL always excluded me in everything they did.
I got used to it.
Then my brother and SIL got divorced and they simply cut her out of their lives - like you’d cut a growth out of your body. She simply didn’t exist after that.
Now I keep my distance from these people who so easily can decide you’re in one minute and out the next.
I don’t trust my own siblings.

Susanisnotmyrealname · 21/12/2024 04:49

I would be interested to hear SILs version.

lifesrichpageant · 21/12/2024 06:01

OP your SIL sounds like mine. She has caused sooo much distress over the years. She is a master manipulator and has historically had PIL and extended family doubling over to accommodate her.
DH and I have had to shift the entire dynamic and find ways to say 'no' from time to time, as well as just flat-out declining invitations or "summons" to do things. We have been painted to be 'difficult' and it's bumpy at times but everyone has survived.
Time has not been kind to her, she has been through a few divorces and many, many friendships.
Good luck.

Imissmypuppy · 21/12/2024 06:14

You can’t win with people like her, she won’t change - you can just say no and you can walk away. She will rip up the nasty though but stay calm and stick to you plan. Nothing more to discuss - you don’t want her to stay - you’re not up for guests, you don’t want to discuss. My sister is like this - I haven’t exchanged words with her in years - that is a much easier way to live.

Pensionswew · 21/12/2024 09:48

This is one of those threads that show clearly that if you don't have boundaries at the beginning of a relationship you will be walked all over.

If you stay with weak weasel men and go on to then have children with them life will be so stressful.
If you allow someone to treat your home as a hotel without even consulting you, it will be stressful.
It all comes down to who you choose as a partner.

It is the biggest and most important decision a person will make.

Choose well and you have a happy life.

Choose badly and you pay for that decision every day you remain together.

My grandmother told me 40 years ago the above.
Wise words.

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 08:56

Thank you all for your support.
So the latest was that I challenged DP again on the appalling behaviour of his SIL and HIS in particular, as so many of you rightly said. He is the issue and has been for years, avoiding managing the relationship and setting boundaries.
As I felt so hurt by it all - which comes at a bad times for me for several reasons - I've decided not joining his family for Christmas this year and went away to be with a friend in Europe. My DD already joined some of the family (at my MIL) and expecting me too on the 23rd, as was always the plan.
Now I am away and will not be coming tomorrow and I need to broach it with her. I know she would want me to be there and will be sad and disappointed I won't.. But I just couldn't face these lot and know she would be loved and happy their with all the cousin, her dad and others who adores her deeply.
I just need to speak to her and say something but I don't think it would be a good idea to open the SIL issue over the phone. This conversation may have to wait for a face to face after Christmas. But in the meantime my partner is getting ready to travel and join his family and is chasing me to confirm what I would say to DD about the 'why mum is not here' situation. Sorry about this rushed and maybe confusing update. I'm so upset this has come to me leaving home for Christmas and all over the place....

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Pensionswew · 23/12/2024 09:58

I think you keep things neutral with your daughter and say you need to see your family and you will explain more after Christmas when you see her in person.

I feel very sorry for you, but your partner is awful.

Do you feel you have to go away?
Could you stay at home yourself?
Don't be forced out of your home.

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 11:00

@Pensionswew I went away. Not in the UK right now. I needed to get away so went to stay with a friend

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