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how to handle my controlling SIL

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:06

Sorry for this long-winded message but I've had enough!

My SIL has serious control issues. She tries to micromanage every part of her life, and as much as she can get away with, those around her. Her husband is a puppet, running around all day trying to please her. It’s honestly hard to watch and always makes me feel uncomfortable around them. He just quietly gets on with things despite noticeably not always being happy or because it interferes with something he is doing or wanting to do. She speaks for him, (even when present!), plans his itinerary and who he will hang out with (more on that later..), and even tells him when to go to bed! This dynamic seems to work for them strangely, but it’s odd and I’m even concerned that one day he will not take it any longer and something bad will happen.

What affects me, though, is how manipulative she is when it comes to influencing family situations, including her brother's time (my partner) and mine, directly or indirectly. She never communicates with me to make plans or check that there are no clashes or other issues. Rather, she goes through my partner for everything. She does this because she knows she’ll get what she wants from him, agreeing to everything and getting him on board. If she had discussed it with me, she would be 'risking' that I might ask questions or, god forbid, suggest a different plan which contradicts her fixed vision of perfection and makes her feel not in control. It’s really her way or the highway.

In 18 years, I can count on one hand how many times we’ve actually spoken, let alone made plans jointly despite finding ourselves a few weeks a year getting together as a family. My partner, unfortunately, doesn’t challenge her. He admits he finds her controlling behaviour annoying sometimes but has this strange fear of upsetting her (same goes for her mum, and the younger siblings). He just goes along with whatever she wants and then vents to me later. He hates confrontation.

Her methods are subtle—always calm and softly spoken—but after years of observing her, her controlled manner feels very passive-aggressive. She has a particular way of saying things, describing what is going to happen while providing one-sided and the 'only option' reasoning which makes you feel you have nothing to add to the conversation. I never found her genuine and I am very good at sniffing this kind of people.

This Christmas, she asked to stay with us for a few days (well not really asked, but rather declared politely). As usual, all plans were discussed and finalised without my knowledge, and I just got the bottom line and the exact day-by-day itinerary. Every night was mapped out, including one evening when she suggested that her husband take my partner for dinner while she went out for dinner with her friends. The excuse was so he can treat my partner for his birthday he’d missed, but for context, it was my birthday to around the same time, yet I was not part of either plan.

I found it hurtful to be excluded like this as it had very little meaning the two of them go for dinner alone, in particular, because it’s all around Christmas time and they are staying with us, yet she didn’t even find a single night to ensure the 4 of us hang out together. But what’s more disturbing comes next. My partner, sensing my disappointment and that something was a bit 'off', asked her if she could invite me to join her and her friends, citing that I was having a tough time at the moment (which is true). Her response was a straight-up “no, it won’t work” message I accidentally saw popped up on his phone.

At that point, I’d had enough. I sent her a polite message saying that unfortunately, they couldn’t stay with us this time because I was dealing with difficult personal issues and wanted to be alone (and really at that point could not bear her presence in my house). Guess what happens next. Within seconds, she texted my partner asking him what was going on and why I said what I said. Coincidently, I saw this message also (his phone was just next to me) I then replied to her with "Oh, I see you just message X. If you have any questions feel free to call me".

I knew exactly what she was doing—bypassing me so that he’d come and guilt-trip me into changing my mind which is exactly what happened. He was angry I messaged her without asking him. I replied that I was entitled to communicate with whoever I wanted without his consent, including his sister.

Despite years of asking my partner to handle her better, I’ve given up and feel I need to take matters into my own hands. This passive-aggressive intrusion must stop! So, two questions really –

  • AIBU to tell her she can’t stay with us this time?
  • Would it be a good idea to be brutally honest with her and tell her how I feel about her style of comms? Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all.

Thank you for getting all the way here! I appreciate your thoughts.

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 23/12/2024 12:14

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 08:56

Thank you all for your support.
So the latest was that I challenged DP again on the appalling behaviour of his SIL and HIS in particular, as so many of you rightly said. He is the issue and has been for years, avoiding managing the relationship and setting boundaries.
As I felt so hurt by it all - which comes at a bad times for me for several reasons - I've decided not joining his family for Christmas this year and went away to be with a friend in Europe. My DD already joined some of the family (at my MIL) and expecting me too on the 23rd, as was always the plan.
Now I am away and will not be coming tomorrow and I need to broach it with her. I know she would want me to be there and will be sad and disappointed I won't.. But I just couldn't face these lot and know she would be loved and happy their with all the cousin, her dad and others who adores her deeply.
I just need to speak to her and say something but I don't think it would be a good idea to open the SIL issue over the phone. This conversation may have to wait for a face to face after Christmas. But in the meantime my partner is getting ready to travel and join his family and is chasing me to confirm what I would say to DD about the 'why mum is not here' situation. Sorry about this rushed and maybe confusing update. I'm so upset this has come to me leaving home for Christmas and all over the place....

This is an unbelievably selfish thing to do to your daughter.

Allmychickenscometoroost · 23/12/2024 12:22

Agree. this woman has effectively hounded you out of your home and you've left your daughter to it.

Pickled21 · 23/12/2024 13:48

My honest thoughts are that you have made a real hash of this. She's successfully alienated you from your nearest and dearest at a time of year that is supposed to be all about being with your loved ones. You've effectively let her get the 'upper' hand. Nothing will change this way.

Being blunt would have been better, you had the right idea with the original text. I would have been inclined to have spoken to hear and said that it's polite to ask if someone will host you and not just to assume they will and that you don't appreciate your days being planned for you. Be blunt to the point it may feel borderline rude to you but standing firm and following through is the only way to get the message across to someone like her. You'd have to be prepared for the pushback and keep on it. I'd come back home.

Hankunamatata · 23/12/2024 13:58

You need to speak to dd ASAP. Can't believe you left country without telling her.

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 18:28

I think I need to explain what happened a bit better and why I got here.

After discussing how I felt with my partner (a rather heated conversation a couple of days ago), saying I was hurt by SIL and BIL appalling behaviour and frankly his also, I realised that he wouldn’t side with me and was not supportive. Despite somehow recognising the issue with dinner night plans is a bit 'off', he still refused to ask BIL to invite me or indeed support the idea I should just come along. This was enough for me at that point and confirmed that clearly he was part of the problem and was not the man I wanted or should be with. It was both his typical non-confrontational / non-challenging attitude and showing a preference for the exclusive invitation which felt dismissive. I was speechless and absolutely furious. He also used all sorts of lame excuses such as It's okay sometime for you not to come... men going out together is different (WTF! I completely lost it at this point) and other bullshit. Basically, it sounded like he liked the idea of a night out with BIL more than he cared about how I felt at that point.

As one of you said earlier, how unattractive. This sums it up for me. What else could I say at this point? I felt that I needed to get away from him and his family and do so as quickly as I could.

Now the plans for this week - Christmas Eve, day and Boxing Day - were always to be at MIL's house with all the siblings. But at this point, there was no way I wanted or felt I could go through this. I then thought about going away for a few days and asked my DD how would she feel if I did. She said she would be sad and preferred if I was there too.

I thought about it long and hard and eventually decided to go. DD may say this but I wouldn’t expect her to say or think otherwise. I was also confident that she would still have an amazing time without me there, with all the cousins and the rest of the family, who all adore and love her deeply. The only person who would have been miserable is me. I didn't think it would be right for me to be in this position and needing to pretend for a few days all is ok. I didn't feel this was necessary or right, and would not be a good example for my DD.

I since talked to her and explained my reason for my travel. It was not a shock to her as I already mentioned it was something I'm considering. I explained I am exhausted from work and really needed a few quiet days away to relax and that Christmas with 15 people in the house would be stressful for me (MILs house - not mine). I said I would be back in a few days and we would have the rest of the holiday / school break to have a lots of fun together. She completely understood and was supportive and happy for me I am doing so.

As for the future, I don't know.

Should I still confront my SIL? I might, one day. But this opportunity did not present itself between my conversation with my partner and my travels as they did not stay with us after all. I did not see her and likely won’t see her this year at all, so who knows when I will be able to raise this event next.

Of course, I could always call, but right now I just want to leave it behind me for the next few days, process the idea of separation and keep my distance and sanity.

OP posts:
Jumell · 23/12/2024 18:32

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 18:28

I think I need to explain what happened a bit better and why I got here.

After discussing how I felt with my partner (a rather heated conversation a couple of days ago), saying I was hurt by SIL and BIL appalling behaviour and frankly his also, I realised that he wouldn’t side with me and was not supportive. Despite somehow recognising the issue with dinner night plans is a bit 'off', he still refused to ask BIL to invite me or indeed support the idea I should just come along. This was enough for me at that point and confirmed that clearly he was part of the problem and was not the man I wanted or should be with. It was both his typical non-confrontational / non-challenging attitude and showing a preference for the exclusive invitation which felt dismissive. I was speechless and absolutely furious. He also used all sorts of lame excuses such as It's okay sometime for you not to come... men going out together is different (WTF! I completely lost it at this point) and other bullshit. Basically, it sounded like he liked the idea of a night out with BIL more than he cared about how I felt at that point.

As one of you said earlier, how unattractive. This sums it up for me. What else could I say at this point? I felt that I needed to get away from him and his family and do so as quickly as I could.

Now the plans for this week - Christmas Eve, day and Boxing Day - were always to be at MIL's house with all the siblings. But at this point, there was no way I wanted or felt I could go through this. I then thought about going away for a few days and asked my DD how would she feel if I did. She said she would be sad and preferred if I was there too.

I thought about it long and hard and eventually decided to go. DD may say this but I wouldn’t expect her to say or think otherwise. I was also confident that she would still have an amazing time without me there, with all the cousins and the rest of the family, who all adore and love her deeply. The only person who would have been miserable is me. I didn't think it would be right for me to be in this position and needing to pretend for a few days all is ok. I didn't feel this was necessary or right, and would not be a good example for my DD.

I since talked to her and explained my reason for my travel. It was not a shock to her as I already mentioned it was something I'm considering. I explained I am exhausted from work and really needed a few quiet days away to relax and that Christmas with 15 people in the house would be stressful for me (MILs house - not mine). I said I would be back in a few days and we would have the rest of the holiday / school break to have a lots of fun together. She completely understood and was supportive and happy for me I am doing so.

As for the future, I don't know.

Should I still confront my SIL? I might, one day. But this opportunity did not present itself between my conversation with my partner and my travels as they did not stay with us after all. I did not see her and likely won’t see her this year at all, so who knows when I will be able to raise this event next.

Of course, I could always call, but right now I just want to leave it behind me for the next few days, process the idea of separation and keep my distance and sanity.

Congratulations OP for having the courage to confront this difficult situation head on ❤️❤️

Merry Christmas ❤️❤️❤️❤️🎄

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 18:33

Hankunamatata · 23/12/2024 13:58

You need to speak to dd ASAP. Can't believe you left country without telling her.

read my message above

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lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 18:34

@Jumell thank you. and to you!!

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lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 18:36

@Pickled21 I don't see it like this. This is not a war that she is winning and I am losing. Everyone is a loser here, but what is clear is that partner is mainly to blame. She did not drive me out of my house for Christmas. No one was going to be there as the plan was to be at MIL for the next 3 days. I just couldn't face being there with them playing happy families. This is ridiculous.

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andthat · 23/12/2024 18:39

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:28

@Fraaances I'm not denying he is weak and it irritates the hell out. Thank you

He’s your problem. Not your SIL.

He agrees to it all. Why would she need to discuss anything with you?

CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet · 23/12/2024 18:44

So is sil still going to be your house

Pickled21 · 23/12/2024 19:03

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 18:36

@Pickled21 I don't see it like this. This is not a war that she is winning and I am losing. Everyone is a loser here, but what is clear is that partner is mainly to blame. She did not drive me out of my house for Christmas. No one was going to be there as the plan was to be at MIL for the next 3 days. I just couldn't face being there with them playing happy families. This is ridiculous.

I don't see it as a battle either hence the inverted commas but she clearly does. You don't want to admit it and that's fine but she drove you away from your family at a time of year that is all about families. If spending Christmas away from your dd is acceptable to you as a result then again that's fine and as you've said she will enjoy her time there. I would have been more inclined to stand my ground, again you've taken the action that you think is best so fair enough op. Sometimes self preservation is the better option.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 23/12/2024 21:08

You have not made yourself sound any less selfish with your update.

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 21:09

@andthat yes, that's exactly my point. She goes to him as he is the least path of resistance. Has always been like this which always drove me mad.

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lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 21:12

@CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet no. The plan was to split their time between our place in a big city and my MIL which is where they are now. And at the end they didn't stay at our place as I said no.

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stayathomer · 23/12/2024 21:13

She’s his sister though- I don’t really contact eg my sisters dh about when I’m coming etc, I chat to her and we works it out, she tells/ asks him etc. I also don’t talk to my dbs wife that much. I suppose it depends how close you live to them, it’s a different story with dh’s family because they live close by so I’d be in contact with all of them.

lovemetomybones · 23/12/2024 21:35

Different scenario but my DH panders to his ex (they have kids) for an easy life, not because it's the right choice. I tell him every single time he does, it won't be an easy option because if the decision they have made is not in the best interest of his family I will give him merry hell at home. And I do. No one gets to treat my family like a doormat.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 23/12/2024 22:15

Your update has flabbergasted me @lizzifitzburg I can't believe you're not spending Christmas with your DD. You do know SIL will be laying the poison down for 3 days? You've played right into her hands. Come home and spend time with your DD. It doesn't have to be at MIL's. Even if it was you could go and ignore queen bee, fuck her! Sort your DP out after Christmas
I hope you can find a way to spend Christmas with your DD x

Pussycat22 · 23/12/2024 22:28

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:47

@hban yes I don't like her because I never found her genuine. And watching her behaviour towards others is highlighted how crazy she is.

Don't care what she sense of I like her or not but apparently she finds my house a very convenient place to base herself!

Got in one ,it's YOUR HOUSE!!!!

Pensionswew · 23/12/2024 22:41

It was a very difficult situation and I can understand you deciding that the safest thing was to stay away.

This is your partners problem.

He's a weak snake.
Don't bother with your SIL.
Figure out if you have the stomach to stay with such a man and forget about her.

She is just a symptom of the toxic relationship you have.

Take a rest and think about the future you want.

SALaw · 23/12/2024 23:37

lizzifitzburg · 23/12/2024 21:09

@andthat yes, that's exactly my point. She goes to him as he is the least path of resistance. Has always been like this which always drove me mad.

She goes to him because He. Is. Her. Brother. You clearly love the drama and your flounce off abroad leaving your daughter is ridiculous. I'm sure your sister in law has done many horrendous things to you, you've just forgotten to name a single one on this post about her.

LAMPS1 · 24/12/2024 02:32

OP, you didn’t need a big confrontation to help yourself with this problem.
You just needed to accept the suggestion from SIL to meet to talk it out.
You could easily have got your point over without a problem as you had a really good case. But you admitted you couldn’t be bothered (didn’t have the skills to do it more like, just like your DH) and preferred to leave your DD with them all to face Christmas without you when she expressly asked you not to leave her.
In doing so, you have caused yourself even more problems for when you come back from your jolly abroad for Christmas.
All the problems will still be there. Plus the bad judgement problem of having left your DD at Christmas which they will all judge you for along with losing your temper with DH and walking out on him too.

So now, you return to them in an even more difficult position.
Why are you so scared to talk it out properly with your SIL ?
Why run away from the problem when there was a perfectly good opportunity to solve it?

It’s not about winning or proving a point or punishing your DH for leaving you out.
It should be about improving the situation for yourself without making things worse for anybody else. And without ‘losing it’. If you lose your temper, you are unlikely to achieve your intended outcome and only make yourself look bad.

I too, hope you can somehow still get back to be with your DD for Christmas.

Redgreenred10 · 24/12/2024 04:07

My sil is a nightmare but nothing would drive me to leave ds over Christmas. Sorry you have played right into her hands here and you look like the unreasonable one. You need to get your arse back and then sort out if you want to be with your husband or not. If he does not have your back then I would say leave.

your por daughter, it does not matter how much fun she will have with her cousins she will be missing you so much

TheAntisocialButterfly · 24/12/2024 04:24

You left your daughter at Christmas? Even though she told you she didn't want you to? What age is she?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 24/12/2024 07:09

TheAntisocialButterfly · 24/12/2024 04:24

You left your daughter at Christmas? Even though she told you she didn't want you to? What age is she?

15

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