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how to handle my controlling SIL

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lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:06

Sorry for this long-winded message but I've had enough!

My SIL has serious control issues. She tries to micromanage every part of her life, and as much as she can get away with, those around her. Her husband is a puppet, running around all day trying to please her. It’s honestly hard to watch and always makes me feel uncomfortable around them. He just quietly gets on with things despite noticeably not always being happy or because it interferes with something he is doing or wanting to do. She speaks for him, (even when present!), plans his itinerary and who he will hang out with (more on that later..), and even tells him when to go to bed! This dynamic seems to work for them strangely, but it’s odd and I’m even concerned that one day he will not take it any longer and something bad will happen.

What affects me, though, is how manipulative she is when it comes to influencing family situations, including her brother's time (my partner) and mine, directly or indirectly. She never communicates with me to make plans or check that there are no clashes or other issues. Rather, she goes through my partner for everything. She does this because she knows she’ll get what she wants from him, agreeing to everything and getting him on board. If she had discussed it with me, she would be 'risking' that I might ask questions or, god forbid, suggest a different plan which contradicts her fixed vision of perfection and makes her feel not in control. It’s really her way or the highway.

In 18 years, I can count on one hand how many times we’ve actually spoken, let alone made plans jointly despite finding ourselves a few weeks a year getting together as a family. My partner, unfortunately, doesn’t challenge her. He admits he finds her controlling behaviour annoying sometimes but has this strange fear of upsetting her (same goes for her mum, and the younger siblings). He just goes along with whatever she wants and then vents to me later. He hates confrontation.

Her methods are subtle—always calm and softly spoken—but after years of observing her, her controlled manner feels very passive-aggressive. She has a particular way of saying things, describing what is going to happen while providing one-sided and the 'only option' reasoning which makes you feel you have nothing to add to the conversation. I never found her genuine and I am very good at sniffing this kind of people.

This Christmas, she asked to stay with us for a few days (well not really asked, but rather declared politely). As usual, all plans were discussed and finalised without my knowledge, and I just got the bottom line and the exact day-by-day itinerary. Every night was mapped out, including one evening when she suggested that her husband take my partner for dinner while she went out for dinner with her friends. The excuse was so he can treat my partner for his birthday he’d missed, but for context, it was my birthday to around the same time, yet I was not part of either plan.

I found it hurtful to be excluded like this as it had very little meaning the two of them go for dinner alone, in particular, because it’s all around Christmas time and they are staying with us, yet she didn’t even find a single night to ensure the 4 of us hang out together. But what’s more disturbing comes next. My partner, sensing my disappointment and that something was a bit 'off', asked her if she could invite me to join her and her friends, citing that I was having a tough time at the moment (which is true). Her response was a straight-up “no, it won’t work” message I accidentally saw popped up on his phone.

At that point, I’d had enough. I sent her a polite message saying that unfortunately, they couldn’t stay with us this time because I was dealing with difficult personal issues and wanted to be alone (and really at that point could not bear her presence in my house). Guess what happens next. Within seconds, she texted my partner asking him what was going on and why I said what I said. Coincidently, I saw this message also (his phone was just next to me) I then replied to her with "Oh, I see you just message X. If you have any questions feel free to call me".

I knew exactly what she was doing—bypassing me so that he’d come and guilt-trip me into changing my mind which is exactly what happened. He was angry I messaged her without asking him. I replied that I was entitled to communicate with whoever I wanted without his consent, including his sister.

Despite years of asking my partner to handle her better, I’ve given up and feel I need to take matters into my own hands. This passive-aggressive intrusion must stop! So, two questions really –

  • AIBU to tell her she can’t stay with us this time?
  • Would it be a good idea to be brutally honest with her and tell her how I feel about her style of comms? Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all.

Thank you for getting all the way here! I appreciate your thoughts.

OP posts:
Henrythehappypig · 17/12/2024 07:50

My DB and partner have been together over 30 years. I’ve never contacted her about staying, always him because he’s my brother and we communicate about other things in between those times. I’d absolutely expect him to check any times/plans suggested before finalising and I’d wonder wtf he was playing at if I found out he hadn’t. I’d also just invite myself to go out with DH/DBIL rather than a bunch of people I didn’t know.

saraclara · 17/12/2024 07:53

Alternative Mumsnet OP.

"My sister and I made plans for her to come to stay for Christmas, which my DH knew about. Without consulting me, he's just messaged her to cancel her stay."

Mumsnet : how dare he? LTB.

Wellshellsbells · 17/12/2024 08:03

saraclara · 17/12/2024 07:53

Alternative Mumsnet OP.

"My sister and I made plans for her to come to stay for Christmas, which my DH knew about. Without consulting me, he's just messaged her to cancel her stay."

Mumsnet : how dare he? LTB.

Edited

Exactly this,he is her brother,why would she contact you? Is it fully your house,that you can just say she’s not coming? And I can understand why she wouldn’t want you joining in with her friends.you don’t like her,it would be apparent and change the whole dynamic of something she has organised.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 17/12/2024 08:04

Bit late to be kicking up a fuss after 18 years.

OneQuaintLemonHare · 17/12/2024 08:05

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MarzipanAndFrenchFancies · 17/12/2024 08:19

I put YABU and I would love to hear the other side of the story.

You clearly don't like your SIL. Maybe she just prefers to communicate via her brother who she is close too.

I don't see any issue with her texting her brother. The it's up to your brother to agree or disagree the plans after agreeing them with you. You have a DH problem.

Your DH likes his sister, your daughter likes her aunt. Your BIL and SIL has a dynamic that works for them. Maybe the issue isn't the SIL.

MilitantFawcett · 17/12/2024 08:20

This is all so weird. I’ve been with my partner for nearly 30 years, not once have I ever made plans with his family. He does it all because he’s a fully grown human and I’m not his PA. Your SIL was rude to invite herself but you were rude too, reading their messages and replying on his behalf. I’d be furious if I was him, regardless of whether I agreed with the outcome.

Why don’t you and your DP just agree that you’ll run plans past each other and then present a united front on the decision? It’s his “turf” too you know, maybe he wants to see his sister for Xmas? Neither of you are acting like you’re a team.

hideawayforever · 17/12/2024 08:39

It comes across to me that you're very jealous of your SIL.
you also come across as controlling. why can't sil go through her brother to arrange things, that's a normal thing to do. why are you reading your husbands messages?
isn't it good that she gets on so well with your daughter? if she didn't you'd then be complaining about that, but no, it's being used as another example of her "manipulative" behaviour..... maybe she just loves your daughter.

why didn't you just say at the time that you will join your husband and bil at the restaurant?

you sound quite nasty and spiteful with regards to her, the way you talk about her and her husband is obviously your version of things and is none of your business.
if you don't want them staying in yours then tell your husband this, but he's also got a right to have them to stay as much as you have a right not to.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/12/2024 08:40

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:31

@Blueuggboots you are 100% right. I just feel
It's so rude! How can I exploit to my partner who seems to think it's normal for him to go for dinner with his BIL alone?

Just explain that it isn't normal for your DIL to arrange all the plans happening in your house in order to deliberately exclude you.

He knows it isn't really normal but he is scared to upset or challenge his sister and will put her needs, feelings and desires above yours.

Well done on putting your foot down.

Hannaahhhh · 17/12/2024 08:40

This is a partner issue, not a SIL issue. He is making plans with her which is fine. But why isn't he consulting you? He is the problem not her. And then you've cancelled them because you're not invited on her night out but you hate her anyway.

Hoppinggreen · 17/12/2024 08:42

She isn't the problem, your partner is

Spaceid · 17/12/2024 08:46

I think you need to have a word with your husband, he seems to be the problem as he’s not consulting you about things.

I would not dream of contacting my sibling’s partner to make arrangements!! Why would you, it’s so rude and disrespectful to your sibling.

Spaceid · 17/12/2024 08:51

Is this a reverse? If I had arranged to visit my brother and was all agreed, then his partner messages me to say it is cancelled, I would be a bit pissed off! Why couldn’t this come from my brother who I was arranging things with. Then I get a message asking to bring his partner (who doesn’t like and never bothers to speak to me) out with me and my friends!!! Too right I would be saying no.

The SIL doesn’t sound like the manipulative one here.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/12/2024 08:51

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 01:13

@Allmychickenscometoroost I agree. I also feel now it's an opportunity but that means an explosive family incident over Christmas which will upset everyone and I will be blamed for it!

So what if you're blamed? You need to become the difficult one that everyone is scared to upset, including your DH.

It has been easy for your SIL, with the active support of your DH, to completely exclude you from plans that involve your home, your children and your DH. Make it really difficult for them to do this.

You also need to be really careful about the relationship that your DD has with your SIL. Your SIL is horrible enough to subtly turn your own DD against you. Don't let this happen.

Jumell · 17/12/2024 09:23

This is awful OP and I really would tell your OH that his sister’s behaviour is

NOT ON

Communicate with him if you want the cover your tracks and ensure that you’re not treading on toes and going to his sister directly

She sounds insufferable OP

Blackdovedown · 17/12/2024 09:43

saraclara · 17/12/2024 07:53

Alternative Mumsnet OP.

"My sister and I made plans for her to come to stay for Christmas, which my DH knew about. Without consulting me, he's just messaged her to cancel her stay."

Mumsnet : how dare he? LTB.

Edited

Nah mate. CONTEXT is everything and this isn’t a one off - this is the tipping point.

Jumell · 17/12/2024 09:45

Blackdovedown · 17/12/2024 09:43

Nah mate. CONTEXT is everything and this isn’t a one off - this is the tipping point.

Agree completely!!

moderndilemma · 17/12/2024 09:50

Your dh's family have got into a particular dynamic: SIL make all the plans, everyone else agrees. Perhpas SIL is contolling, or perhaps everyone else in the family (growing up) was chronically disorganised, or lazy, or easy-going and the only way events, visits etc would happen was if one of them (SIL) took control of plans and arrangements? Who knows why these things arise. Your challenge is that you have goine along with their dynamic for some years, maybe unhappily, but for your dh and the rest of his family no-one has seriously challenged the status quo.

Is there some reason why you are doing it now? A build up of resentment or the specific issues you are facing? If the former then try to change it bit by bit e.g. "you can't come on Monday but be'd love to see you on Tuesday" or "great to see you on Tuesday but you will need to bring a trifle for dinner". That way you also exert some control over the plans. If it's about difficult things for you now, then you need to be bold and say that this year the planned visit isn't possible.

But with whatever approach you take you and dh need to talk about it beforehand so he is clear on your bottom line, and agree who will communicate with SIL, and what.

In general, it seems a strange way for you and your dh to communicate about family plans. With a few exceptions, my dp communicates with his family, me with mine. But he and I agree our own position (what we want, what is a firm boundary, what we can flex on) beforehand.

e.g. I am happy to see his family, but I am not making a 2 hour trip to eat a mediocre lunch followed by everyone slumbering on the sofa. He can invite them here, their choice if they come. But we have a reason ready why we can't go to theirs. Then it's up to dp how he phrases that, although I am certain he would never present it is "dilemma says ...." We're in it together.

But also your SIL has a strange way of specifying what she will do in other people's homes.

Irridescantshimmmer · 17/12/2024 09:56

Phew .........you have done well to keep your cool with her.

  • AIBU to tell her she can’t stay with us this time?
You are being more than reasonable, to say no to her.
  • Would it be a good idea to be brutally honest with her and tell her how I feel about her style of comms? Apparently, she wants to talk to me now to discuss the issue but I can't be bothered because I know she will come up with some bullshit talk which will make me feel guilty and agree for them to stay after all.
Absalutely, and tell her you won't stand for her manipulation as you and your partner won't stand for her nonsense any more.......Who the hell does she think she is inviting herself over to your home for xmas then planning on leaving you completely alone at a time when people spend time together.

Boundaries are needed here and you and your partner both need to be steadfast and firm in your decision making and of course, don't be manipulated by her or she'll take advantage because she's slippier than a bucket of slugs.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 17/12/2024 10:13

JingleB · 17/12/2024 00:32

I don’t understand why you would expect her to run arrangements past you - she’s making plans with her brother. I speak to my brother when we’re coming to see him and my DH speaks to his side of the family about any arrangements with them.

That’s just normal, isn’t it?

If the plans they are making aren’t ok, that’s an issue to take up with your partner.

Likewise, if you aren’t happy she and her husband are coming to stay, talk about it with your DP. If DH messaged my brother to tell him he wasn’t welcome, without a discussion with me, I would be absolutely furious.

Totally agree with this. I'm sure she is a dick, but she's not unreasonable to be speaking to her brother when making plans with his family. HE is unreasonable not to be running those plans past you before confirming.

You need to redirect a lot of your anger here.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 17/12/2024 10:14

Spaceid · 17/12/2024 08:51

Is this a reverse? If I had arranged to visit my brother and was all agreed, then his partner messages me to say it is cancelled, I would be a bit pissed off! Why couldn’t this come from my brother who I was arranging things with. Then I get a message asking to bring his partner (who doesn’t like and never bothers to speak to me) out with me and my friends!!! Too right I would be saying no.

The SIL doesn’t sound like the manipulative one here.

Also agree with this.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 17/12/2024 10:16

lizzifitzburg · 17/12/2024 00:31

@Blueuggboots you are 100% right. I just feel
It's so rude! How can I exploit to my partner who seems to think it's normal for him to go for dinner with his BIL alone?

Why shouldn't your husband go out for dinner with his BIL if he wants to? If he thinks it's normal, why is your opinion relevant?

I've got to say, this comment makes you sound very controlling of your partner.

Whohasnickedthesellotape · 17/12/2024 10:25

You don't have a SIL issue but a DP issue. He should not agree to any overnight guests without discussing with you first and check any plans suit you both. That's surely what partners do?
Tbh I'd cancel as it sounds like SIL is using using her stay as a base to accomodate her xmas meet ups. If you have stuff going on that means you don't want guests over Xmas then tell her now so she can make alternative plans

peachystormy · 17/12/2024 10:31

She sounds like a horrible narcissistic bitch. Don't let her rule your life

HappyTwo · 17/12/2024 10:59

so she's arranged to stay at your house without asking you
then arrange to go out and has not included you in any plans
and only wants to communicate with your husband instead of you.
The issue is bigger than christmas I am thinking low or no contact going forward

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