This is NOT a woman!

[Wittow]

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When is enough gaslighting going to be enough???

Lucky you that you have the luxury of boredom. The rest of us continue to be horrified and will continue to fight and advocate for the protection of women and children from these paraphilic men.

Iirc, trans women offend at the same rate as men but are more likely than the general population of men of being convicted of sexual offences.

Can we stop equating beards, stubble and shaving to maleness?

Many women with PCOS have facial hair. This, fairly obviously, does not make them men.

Men haven't taken being a swan away from women 🙄

Matthew Bournes swan lake is an artistic masterpiece, that actually has a different story line to the original swan lake. The original swan lake is still performed annually and all of the female swans still have their jobs.

The male swans in their feathery breeches are portraying a different side of human nature than the female swans portray and they are mesmerising to watch, as are the women in the original production. Both can exist and beautiful, nothing has been taken away from the original by Matthew Bournes version existing.

It reminds me of when people were using the inability to produce a full milk supply as a valid reason for trans women not to be allowed to induce lactation and breast feed.

Many women are unable to produce a full milk supply and it is highly offensive to them to suggest having a low supply makes someone less womanly, motherly, or makes breast feeding pointless.

As a mother with PCOS who has stubble and a low milk supply despite being 100% female I find these arguments insensitive and insulting.

Absolutely. MBs ballets are a twist on the classics. He's an absolute genius.

Well, I don't see women forming ballet companies where the major parts are only available to women.

And why can't the swans in their feathery britches also be danced by women? Is there something about the choreography that they can't do just because they're female? The female dancers could wear flesh-coloured tops, so the topless male swans aren't the reason.

There's no reason for women to be excluded from the swan roles in Bourne's production except that some gay/trans men just wish that women would go away so they can have the world all to themselves. Much like many straight men.

Most of the “traditional” major parts in ballet are for women, so that might be why…

Significantly more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than the general male population...

Yes, I know what the Equal Treatment Bench Book decrees. It compels everyone to lie, most notably victims. I didn't say IPSO had any power over the press. They have power over our supposedly brave and independent journalists, who could report the truth, but don't.

I completely agree.

I have worked in many prisons and if someone is ‘trans’ I instantly know they’re in for a sexual crime.

They could if they wanted to. No one is stopping them.

Ballet is all about women, even the lead male is only there to hold, lift and twirl the prima ballerina. The tutus, the pointe shoes, they are stunning and breathtakingly graceful, all eyes are on them. Also women far out number male dancers in almost all classical productions. The whole corps deserved ballet will be only women in tutus with the only male dancers being the lead male, and some male characters who also dance pas de Deux.

For a male centric ballet to exist is highly unusual. So it's hardly like the women are being erased. The male swans are male because they are strong and powerful, a woman in a feathers breaches and a nude top would not have the same powerful presence the same way a male dance in a tutu and pointed shoes would never be able to do the sugar plum fairy.

Les Ballet Trocadero are all men who dance en pointe in tutus doing comedy versions of the classics. They are fantastic. They are so so talented, they are so elegant and graceful, yet it's funny because they are clearly a man in a tutu. Even dancers so talented could never portray the actual dying swan in swan lake because it's a feminine, delicate role they could never portray no matter how skilled they are. And it's the exact same reason a woman could never dance a Matthew Bourne male swan, she simply doesn't have the physical power and presence.

But that's ok, because it's art, and art has many different facets and is creative and entertaining and powerful in many ways. It would be dull if you took away it's many facets and told creative directors you can't do that because I don't like men dancing swans, swans are for women.

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I thought men couldn't dance female swans either, and then I saw a post on Instagram by ballet22, of the men in long tutus doing classical ballet. Apart from the fact that their shoulders were wider than women's, they looked insanely elegant, and I don't think I would know the difference in the theatre. Having seen that, I think men could definitely dance as elegant female swans. Maybe smaller men, anyway.

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Ballet Trocadero sounds like another attempt to exclude women. Why can't women do funny twists on the classics on pointe, too? Why are only men allowed to take part?

This is all part of a wider attempt by certain men to push into women's spaces in the world. Not even the Sugar Plum Fairy is safe from the toxic masculinity of some members of the LGBTQ community.

Nureyev's 1985 version of Swan Lake greatly downplayed the female roles and suggested that Siegfried and Rothbart had an attraction to each other.

Some gay/trans men would take over ballet completely and shove women out of they could.

I don't agree with ballet being segregated by sex. We all know who loses out when that happens - women.

Ballet Trocadero sounds like another attempt to exclude women. Why can't women do funny twists on the classics on pointe, too? Why are only men allowed to take part?

Because a man in a dress is funny, and comedy roles in theatre have been played by men in dresses since the dawn of theatre. If a woman played a dame, it wouldn't be as funny, so a comedy ballet done by women wouldn't be as funny as men in tutus doing it, surely that's obvious?

Ballet Trocadero are fantastic and while a woman could do a funny dying swan, it's not as funny as it is if the swan has hairy armpits and rugby shoulders, because looking ridiculous makes it more funny. The same way a female comedian and a drag queen doing comedy are two completely different performances.

If you don't want to watch Matthew Bournes swan lake or Ballet Trocadero you don't have to, go and watch the original, because it's still available. You don't have to like it, but you definitely can't claim they are erasing women m classical ballet, dominated by women is alive and well.

I'll add that La Fille Mal Guarde has always (at least the Ashton version from the 1960s, possibly older ones too) had a "panto dame" type character. Played by a man.

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then write to your MP and ask them to write to the Home Secretary to put forward your views on how the police record the perpetrators of these crimes and ask for a reply that sets out when the guidance will next be reviewed.

It reminds me of when people were using the inability to produce a full milk supply as a valid reason for trans women not to be allowed to induce lactation and breast feed.

Please tell me you're not serious, @SparklyTurtle ! Men (transwomen) cannot produce breast milk. Its impossible. Even the NHS has recently come out and said that. Galactorrhoea is not milk. Taking drugs to create chemical-induced pus which is dangerous to children is NOT milk! We avoid cheese when pregnant, yet men can take drugs to create a pus that the babies ingest the chemicals of, and you're ok with that? You are disturbingly ill-informed!

BTW, I know 4 women with PCOS. They get an increase of fine hair on their face. They don't get a stubble, let alone beard. That's not even a thing with PCOS.

I'm not speaking on the merits of males in ballet or ballet in general, but just on this point;

They could if they wanted to. No one is stopping them.

Whenever we create something for women only, men take it. They infiltrate it and if we don't allow in males that claim they're women, they take us to court. And win. Thus shutting down every single thing females have created for ourselves. There is not. one. thing. that females are allowed for ourselves. Not one! They colonise every space. Then tell us to 'create your own' (which we did!), then we create yet another space for ourselves. And they colonise that too. Thus the cycle never ends. It reminds me of the great pithy retort someone said on twitter when a transwoman told actual women that there is a special place in hell just for us. Someone replied, give it awhile and transwomen and males will be wanting in on that, too!

We cannot ever, ever have anything to ourselves free of males. And you wonder why feminists are fucking pissed off!

But most of the choreographers and directors in the Ballet Industry are male. Recently there have been a couple of female directors but the vast majority are men. Very strange imo when numbers of little girls starting ballet classes out number little boys by hundreds to 1. It is far harder to make it as a woman than a man into the profession and yet here we are with most ballet choreographers and start up/spin off companies having men at the helm.
Mathew Bourne, Mathew Clark and the Ballet Boyz are three examples. Can’t think of a similar UK based female spin off example.

You can definitely get stubble and, in some cases, a full beard with PCOS. Google Harnaam Kaur if you don’t believe me.

@IKEAJesus you are absolutely right about the breast milk and the idea of men trying to "feed" babies is like a sick joke. However, woman can definitely get facial stubble.

Sorry I meant to @IdylicDay

BTW, I know 4 women with PCOS. They get an increase of fine hair on their face. They don't get a stubble, let alone beard. That's not even a thing with PCOS.

As a woman with PCOS (which you clearly don't have as you are so misinformed) I am telling you you are wrong. Before laser hair removal, which I repeatedly have to get tops ups of, I had thick black stubble on my chin. Having to shave your face every day as a woman is very upsetting and I'm sick of women who have no fucking idea being so insensitive. Also women can grow beards - see bearded ladies throughout history.