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Upstartled · 17/12/2024 10:07

Just laughing at the 3% of people who looked at that photo and have decided, yes, I've decided to see a woman, I am looking at a woman, I am a good person because I am now seeing a woman. Is this self radicalisation or self hypnosis?

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 17/12/2024 10:07

Errors · 17/12/2024 10:02

Yep. How can you ever monitor statistically whether women are at more risk now they’re allowing trans women in to female only spaces, if the perpetrator is recorded as a female?

Yes, I think that is the plan. I think it was Norway adopted self id and then there was a sudden explosion in violent and sex crimes by women.

Then people in authority point to the crime stats and say “well women are dangerous too” and use it to justify removing single sex spaces. I have literally heard this argument in a school by a head teacher.

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 17/12/2024 10:09

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Errors · 17/12/2024 10:13

IAmAWarriorPrincessHonestGuv · 17/12/2024 10:07

Yes, I think that is the plan. I think it was Norway adopted self id and then there was a sudden explosion in violent and sex crimes by women.

Then people in authority point to the crime stats and say “well women are dangerous too” and use it to justify removing single sex spaces. I have literally heard this argument in a school by a head teacher.

It’s absolutely disgusting 🤬

lifeturnsonadime · 17/12/2024 10:13

Upstartled · 17/12/2024 10:07

Just laughing at the 3% of people who looked at that photo and have decided, yes, I've decided to see a woman, I am looking at a woman, I am a good person because I am now seeing a woman. Is this self radicalisation or self hypnosis?

There are quite a lot of activists on here.

They dgaf about harms to women.

Chersfrozenface · 17/12/2024 10:17

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That's not true.

I know many of us are very concerned about gender ideology and its effects, but we have to keep to the truth - particularly because gender ideologues don't.

The truth is that most mass shootings in the US are carried out by men and boys who are not transgender.

And the truth is that the perpetrator in the case in the OP is a man.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 10:28

I know many of us are very concerned about gender ideology and its effects, but we have to keep to the truth - particularly because gender ideologues don't.

The truth is that most mass shootings in the US are carried out by men and boys who are not transgender.

Yes that is correct. What is happening though is that most of the rare high profile ones committed by female people have been by ones who identify as men (so called "trans men"). Obviously this is a small sample but it's a highly concerning pattern.

ArabellaScott · 17/12/2024 10:29

Hoardasurass · 17/12/2024 07:58

As he's in England and he attacked a woman and still has his penis (as over 90% do) he'll go to a male prison, in Scotland he could have been sent to a female jail after an initial assessment that basically only really looks at how much risk he would be of both physical harm and hurty feelings by being in a male prison rather than a female 1 and gives only lip service to the risk he poses to the actual women in the female jail

The sex of his victim is unknown.

EleanorBettyJackie · 17/12/2024 10:33

Unfortunately IPSO is in the hands of trans activists (see recent action against The Spectator), so this sort of lying - that's what it is, blatant lying, legal representatives lying in court, judges lying, forcing victims to lie, and forcing the press to report on a lie - will continue.

Flapjacka · 17/12/2024 10:35

Transphobes get a life challenge

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 10:36

Transphobes get a life challenge

Or people could stop pretending violent men are women?

BluebellCrocus · 17/12/2024 10:36

Nice beard

arethereanyleftatall · 17/12/2024 10:40

It's all so so batshit now it's time to start investigating why.

We're past discussing whether it's absurd misogyny or not. Of course it is.

We all know no one thinks this is a woman. Not the bloke himself, not the policeman, not the journalist, not the judge.

So - why?

Some decent journalists, or a decent police investigator (if there are any) or lawyer need to start digging to ascertain if it's money or paedophiles at the top or what exactly is going on.

It stinks and when it all comes out in the wash, which it will, there should be a huge number of high up people who find themselves in prison.

ArabellaScott · 17/12/2024 10:41

An enquiry is long overdue, I agree. This is affecting so many areas of society, it needs intervention from the top.

IdylicDay · 17/12/2024 10:43

Flapjacka · 17/12/2024 10:35

Transphobes get a life challenge

Or maybe femphobes and misogynists could get a life and read that this is about a RAPE that is now counted as a womans crime. How do you think that's fair? @Flapjacka

Chersfrozenface · 17/12/2024 10:44

EleanorBettyJackie · 17/12/2024 10:33

Unfortunately IPSO is in the hands of trans activists (see recent action against The Spectator), so this sort of lying - that's what it is, blatant lying, legal representatives lying in court, judges lying, forcing victims to lie, and forcing the press to report on a lie - will continue.

IPSO only affects the press.

The guidance for the judicial system, the Equal Treatment Bench Book, says "It should be possible to work on the basis of a person’s chosen gender identity and their preferred name/pronouns, “he/she or they”, for most court and tribunal purposes, regardless of whether they have obtained legal recognition of their sex/gender by way of a GRC."

So the judge, lawyers and court officials refer to people like Angel Hill as "she".

Police describe transwomen as "women" and refer to them as "she" in appeals for information and press releases.

It's not just the media.

CameraGown · 17/12/2024 10:45

Aha! Lancs Live...the paper with a convicted drunk driver as their motoring correspondent!

lifeturnsonadime · 17/12/2024 10:48

Ah I see the activists are trying to wind us up.

Ignore. Don't give them the air.

HumanBurrito · 17/12/2024 10:51

Any data on the "most" there on mass shootings @Ereshkigalangcleg ? I would describe myself as GC but I would like to see the numbers. I can think of a few high profile shootings by transmen, but historically more by women (though they tend to have fewer victims than men and be less reported and stick less in folk memory).

arethereanyleftatall · 17/12/2024 10:53

Jabtastic · 17/12/2024 09:32

I'm astonished that 3% of people voted YABU.

If you go on tiktok and happen across some sick parent who's transed their kid, you'll find hundreds upon thousands of 'love love love this, love everyone, be yourself' type comments . There are so so many stupid people sheep in the world, which has been highlighted by the trans farce. 3% on here. And they all get a vote.

Helleofabore · 17/12/2024 11:14

"When is enough gaslighting going to be enough???"

Very good question!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 11:15

@HumanBurrito

There have only been about 5 or 6 mass shootings in the US by female people in the last few decades. It is incredibly rare. 3 have been by "trans" females.

The numbers are so small though that if as it appears this latest one has been carried out by a girl who doesn't have a transgender identity, my statement that it is "most" will have been rendered incorrect, even though until yesterday it was. That's the issue when we are talking about such small numbers. But it's worth remembering that trans rights activists also use small numbers to make claims that they are at "risk" - it isn't good practice then either.

The female people with a trans identity:

Audrey/Aiden Hale - Nashville school shooting
Alex McKinney - Denver school shooting
Snochia Moseley - Aberdeen Colorado Rite Aid shooting

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 11:18

I think it also depends how you define a "mass shooting" statistically. So maybe "most" wasn't the best term. But they are a significant proportion of female mass shootings and I think should be paid attention to.

Geordiebabe85 · 17/12/2024 11:22

If you want to be a woman, at least have a shave!

onwardsup4 · 17/12/2024 11:23

MissRoseDurward · 17/12/2024 09:46

They’ve put quotation marks round the wrong word. 😡
This ! Are they deliberately trolling here or what?

They've put quotation marks around the word they are quoting. (From the judge's remarks.) Punctuation, not trolling.

Right, yes. Assumably the judge wouldn't have said 'dangerous woman'

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