What was your position on Amber Heard & Johnny Depp

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I wonder if your feelings have changed since the trial?

I always viewed their situation as mutually toxic - they both abused and were abused. I honestly hated seeing people seemingly enjoying the tearing down and gaslighting of Amber. I think Amber did herself no favours. She’s clearly a narcissist and it was obvious when she was recounting her experiences. Very dramatic and forced. But I still believe she was hurt by Depp.

Johnny Depp has garnered so much good will for just being Johnny Depp. Not to mention the Children’s hospital visits. But multiple things can be true at once. He can be charitable with his time whilst also being an abuser.

Depp may never have hit Kate Moss. But that has no bearing on his relationship with Heard. In some relationships fighting is almost like foreplay. The emotion, passion etc can be addictive. It probably excited them both to fight and make up.

It is accepted Johnny Depp was addicted to both drugs and alcohol. In my experience, alcoholic men can be absolute monsters. I had an abusive father and the anger just came to the fore as soon as he drank.

Amber is back in the news and I just feel very sorry for her. I’m sure she played her part but I’m sure she was also hurt. Just chewed up and spat out.

She didn't have her first child, did she?

Amber was the only one previously arrested for domestic abuse.

Amber admitted to punching Johnny and then mocked him for it on tape.

She also publicly lied about donating funds to abuse victims.

It's interesting that she's not seen as an abuser.

Not innocent or guilty of lying as a victim, but as an abuser herself.

I think it shows that no matter your power, standing or celebrity, drink and drugs to that level of excess reduce you to the same grubby level as those we'd avoid in the street.

I have always found him creepy. That hasn't changed.

But she went all out to win him on the party girl fun his wife didn't offer and strangely enough, that ended badly for them both.

I think if she'd been more like Katie Holmes and got on with life without him, she'd probably have gained more support in the long term. Allow him to show his own strange, controlling and addictive behaviour to the world.

The need to tell it from the strange op ed (pretentious in itself) got it off on the wrong foot and she kept going. A bit like Megan Markle, I wonder how good (or not) she is at taking advice.

That said, I think there was wrongdoing on both parts. She shouldn't have set herself up as saintly and just because she did so, she's not the devil. He is fucked up and doesn't deserve to be hero worshipped.

He was an older man who should have known better when it came to her influence. She was naive in dealing with an addict and didn't seem to appreciate that if you encourage it so far, there's no stopping (but perhaps that is tied to her own addictive tendencies rather than malice).

Either way it was a toxic relationship that should never have been.

Her first was a surrogacy birth, it's not been confirmed if she is pregnant or is using a surrogate again this time

My opinion is that abuse cases are not entertainment and watching abuse victims suffer for your own personal satisfaction is quite sickening and this case armed abusers because of the power it gave them. I find it awful that anyone watched it.

Basically I think they are both terrible people who were in an extremely toxic violent relationship. I think she tried to cash in on the abuse and then he retaliated publicly.

Sums it up perfectly.

I thought they were as bad as one another, it was a mutually abusive relationship between two people who should never have got together in an ideal world. That they parted should have been enough, the article was a bad move and so was the court case

The press and the public interest in the case was utterly vile though

I'm sorry, I don't disagree with you, but describing cutting off someone's finger as "very naughty behavior" made me cackle. 😂

I love how someone who uses a surrogate to have a baby is usually the devil incarnate on MN, but not AH, apparently.

I believe her followed to first trial

saw the videos of him in the kitchen

the horrific misogyny towards her by his pr team

there have been many rumours of his drunken/drugged up behaviour over the years

when be is no longer bankable to studios we shall hear a lot more

I think they were both as bad as each other, it was a horrible, toxic relationship.

I absolutely loved Johnny Depp when I was a teenager but I'm so sick and tired of people idolizing famous people and refusing to except that they are not perfect. It's depressing.

Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, big sports stars like Coby Bryant etc. It's so childish to not be able to see past the fame.

She clearly has a Cluster B personality disorder. Most likely more than one

She is a violent abuser. It's on record.
JD is a mess and didn't come out well.
But she is pure poison.

But this is MN so man=bad and woman=misunderstood

And yet who writes all these threads that go : My mother is a narcissist ?

I believe her. He is a vile excuse for a human being and quite clearly a severe addict.

I don't believe she was 'innocent' as in she didn't provoke him or didn't give as good as she got in certain instances but the idea of a 'good victim' is just as vile.

Wandering womb? Righto!

Agree with comments about Brad Pitt being vile too yet it’s Angelina Joliet’s fault not only did she steal him she then wouldn’t stand by him and help him she dared to put her/their children first 🙄

There was video evidence of him in their kitchen being an abusive drunk. People still didn’t believe that she was telling the truth and the libel claims were specious.

The fact that Brad Pitt CHOKED his child which was then reported by a third party shows how misogynistic a society we live in. Cause all I see online is that Jolie is perpetrating child alienation. Horrific.

Image 1 - court case document detailing Pitt abusing his wife and children
Image 2 - Pitt last week at the Abu Dhabi GP

I think they're both people with baggage and issues. However I think that how they deal with it is the difference. I think she exploited him, used his vulnerabilities against him, and then tried to hang him out to dry.
He's no saint, by a long shot, and the whole thing has changed my perception of him, but I don't think his mind works the same way that hers does.
I watched the whole trial, and her testimony was full of holes, lacked credibility, and her witnesses were in the main, unreliable.

The one where his mother had just died, and he was slamming cupboard doors? Where she deliberately filmed him in secret?

The relationship was toxic, they were probably both abusive but Depp is a beloved male actor and she was never going to win the public vote.
She’s done the best thing she could and taken herself off to live a private life with her children.

Amber Heard made it public by writing an oped.

I think who the victim is ( they both seem abusive) is up for debate.

As for entertainment, it was entertaining. She was dramatic and got caught lying multiple times, he's an unapologetic addict who has always had dry sense of humor.

The public sided with Jonny because he came across as the more honest, straight forward one. No one was surprised he was an addict. She came across as shady and vindictive which people dislike.

Mutual abuse is a myth, there is almost always a dynamic of primary perpetrator and victim. Often (and in this case) a victim fights back and does not appear as blameless and perfect and society expects. The power imbalance between them was clear, and his misogyny is disgusting. Just look at the way he talked about her in texts to his friends. The misogyny she experienced during the 2022 trial was completely horrendous and in 20 years everyone will look back and be shocked at her treatment, in the way we now look back on how Monica Lewinsky was treated, for example.

In this case only Amber had been arrested previously for domestic abuse.

Why do you think Amber is the victim?

Well shitting in someone's bed is just wrong