What was your position on Amber Heard & Johnny Depp

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I wonder if your feelings have changed since the trial?

I always viewed their situation as mutually toxic - they both abused and were abused. I honestly hated seeing people seemingly enjoying the tearing down and gaslighting of Amber. I think Amber did herself no favours. She’s clearly a narcissist and it was obvious when she was recounting her experiences. Very dramatic and forced. But I still believe she was hurt by Depp.

Johnny Depp has garnered so much good will for just being Johnny Depp. Not to mention the Children’s hospital visits. But multiple things can be true at once. He can be charitable with his time whilst also being an abuser.

Depp may never have hit Kate Moss. But that has no bearing on his relationship with Heard. In some relationships fighting is almost like foreplay. The emotion, passion etc can be addictive. It probably excited them both to fight and make up.

It is accepted Johnny Depp was addicted to both drugs and alcohol. In my experience, alcoholic men can be absolute monsters. I had an abusive father and the anger just came to the fore as soon as he drank.

Amber is back in the news and I just feel very sorry for her. I’m sure she played her part but I’m sure she was also hurt. Just chewed up and spat out.

I thought he came across as repulsive. He basically needs carers and is incapable of looking after himself. He has tantrums.

However I didn't believe much of what she said. I believe he was emotionally abusive but I believe she was as well. Her friends also took advantage of him.

Disgusting misogyny. I don't hold a torch for Heard but just don't want to see Depp's smug swollen face around ever again. Also, the Pirates of the Caribbean movies were shit.

I used to like Paul Bettany. Absolutely killed that stone dead. Arse-kissing wannabe prick.

That she is

Those texts were vile ...... Grown men and Fathers swapping what they did was absolutely shameful. Both sullied iny opinion now

I went from thinking they both have issues to thinking the both have issues but he is an absolute piece of shit and I can't wsntch anything he was ever in, I won't watch anything he goes on to be involved with and that I will boycott anything made by people who don't give a shit about what he did because they are star fuckers who know he will make them money.

My Instagram reels were overrun with JD propaganda at that time of that case, I have subsequently had the PoW with peggate and my husband had the same plus Andrew Tate and Conor McGregor during their recent exploits with courts/law. But none compared to what JD unleashed on the world during that trial. It is clear once again that powerful men are using social tools to their advantages, a tale as old as time.

Total disinterest. After all it was /is none of my business.

I think they were equally as toxic as one another and neither came out covered in glory.

It hasn't been said whether she's pregnant or using another surrogate with this second child.

Amber overplayed her hand.

They were both ‘keen party types’ who were rich enough to get away with bad behaviour inc physical fights & drunk
at breakfast.

She blew it by presenting herself as a saint when she often punched him first. She’s bigger than he is. And drank as much as he did.

Team Johnny here; I don’t know anyone who turns violent aged 56. I really don’t know anyone who can spend years with an addict and not notice till after the wedding.

Touch of St Meghan the Martyr, with added ham.

I always felt she suffered for failing to be “the perfect victim”. My opinion of Johnny Depp changed entirely - he is an odious, abusive addict who used his significant power like a weapon. An utterly repugnant individual who appears who has been able to move through and forwards from the whole debacle entirely unscathed.

I found the fact that she filmed parts of their relationship, where they were in an argument, was strange, and didn’t do her any favours, as it felt like she was ‘poking the bear’ during the exchange and he reacted to her. It all felt very staged and set up. It was that which made me think they were both equally toxic, and clearly brought out the very worst in each other.

The difference in how they were treated is a real reflection of how society treats men and women and why women are reluctant to press charges against men who assault them.

She definitely has issues but the whole thing was unbalanced and unfair and I feel deeply sorry for her despite her issues. Him I never wish to see again. He knew he had more power than her and he used that.

I didn't watch the trial, But from the documentary I watched about the pair of them my opinion is they were abusive to each other. Society seems to find his abuse to her forgivable but don't give her the same leeway. I have no idea why but it's depressing and seems riddled with misogyny.

I'm team Johnny too

I wanted to believe he was a good guy but his behaviour in court (and his texts) was that of every abusive addict I’ve ever seen. As others have said, she was unlikeable and their relationship appeared deeply toxic, so the bot army could do their worst. Nonetheless, as the S*n libel case demonstrated, he is a wife-beater so overall, I believe her.

They're both bloody awful and anyone who thinks Johnny Depp is great is a huge misogynist.

I believe her. He's the big star and had all the power. The only reason that there is anything saying she was difficult or just as bad is because it came from him, the person with money, power and control to create whatever narrative he wanted about her. She was ripped apart before she even started in court, she has never had a chance. And as for saying she was going for him in her op/ed piece and deserves all she gets, we are all behind victims calling out/ reporting their abusers and we all are behind the me too movement, but why not with her? Because he got ahead and did everything for his own credibility and to discredit her so we're all questioning her motives. Typical abuser behaviour by him. The texts and behaviour from JD that came out in the trial were misogynistic and disgusting. Given how coercive control works, it would not be surprising to find a lot happened we don't and won't ever know about. Those messages don't come from no where and a 'nice guy' doesn't just go there with messages. She was losing her income, she thought she could fight back after the UK case but his power and influence was too much. Just remember what we do know, what facts we heard, it's important to know that bots were actively used to promote negativity against her publicly throughout the trial and she suffered hugely as a result. I wish her well, and hope she can recover from what happened to her.

Exactly this. Look at Angelina Jolie & Brad Pitt. Abusive and attacked his family on a plane but carries on like nothing happened.

Also she cut his finger off. That is very naughty behaviour, and she could not produce any hospitalisation records for her injuries, which suggests they weren’t as bad.

She appears to have attempted to doctor email/messaging that was submitted as evidence in the trial. It didn't match the downloads from the counterparty's device and was deemed as inadmissible.

She's just not credible as a witness and the evidence strongly suggests she's a violent abuser.

I agree with the op - mutually toxic. My teenage dream was to marry JD, so it was all a bit of an eye opener how the other half live. At the time I thought he had very little self awareness to expose the depravity of his life to the world like he did, considering it was his reputation he was supposedly defending. It seemed like a spectacularly poor decision. But actually he seems to have had a much better grasp of the way the world works for famous men than I did. I find him utterly repellent but I’m in a tiny minority.

Amber is quite unlikeable and that counted heavily against her, and I’m a bit more sympathetic to her because of that. I don’t doubt that she was in an abusive situation but she was behaving abhorrently too. But the misogyny was awful to watch.

As an ordinary person I can’t quite grasp how either of them could air their dirty laundry so brazenly, never looking remotely sheepish at the grim, sordid details. It was bizarre.

I believe her. I don't think she's entirely guilt-free but to me, she was a woman who tried to fight back, who wanted to be heard, and so he used the power he had to destroy her. I hope she finds some peace in life.

I think they are both as bad as each other. The problem is with addicts is that they will never remember or believe how badly they treated you when they were drunk/high so he probably believes he is innocent.

I love how the people in the “Johnny Depp is a great guy” camp just happily overlook the fact he cheated on the mother of children with someone 20 years younger

Well said, I hope she is happy and enjoying her new life.