to find this really chilling.. :-( [MNHQ CONTENT WARNING: sexual assault]

[fixingmylife]

I can't believe the number of violence against women from men sickening stories that happening at the moment. This one really chilled me to my very core.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9jkvymvw7o

Agree although I still believe all people should be educated from an early age to not try their very best to not put themselves in the position of being vulnerable to evil especially where drink & drugs are concerned.

I can’t believe the sentence - this was shockingly violent imo and he poses a real threat to society (women)

Yes this is utterly horrifying. I read about the case a few weeks ago and felt haunted and sick for days afterwards. Poor Natalie. His sentence is pathetically short; the wicked inhumanity of his crime warrants far, far longer in prison.

What happen to the man who was originally with her? Why was she unconscious, was she ill? Did he leave here there knowing there was something wrong with her?

Most of them are. The sentences are really short and it's an insult to people who have been raped.

It should be life and it should mean life.

She felt asleep on a bench, sounds like you’re victim blaming.It’s irrelevant if someone has drank alcohol or taken drugs.

You wrote: I notice even I reserve most my anger at these two young women and it's the 100 plus disgusting men who are the problem. I don't know why even liberal minded women can default to this thinking.

It's probably because you recognise that the women have agency and that it's their choice to do this, and they don't HAVE to let 100 men do the things you describe. But you probably feel frustration rather than anger, that two women would let themselves be debased like this and no one is helping them or stopping it. I say "helping them" because I think that you, like most people, recognise that there is something deeply, deeply wrong with this scenario, even though the women are acting from free choice.

If I was their family or friends, I'd be very worried about their mental health, that there is something very wrong psychologically to do this. I'd be worried that they are a suicide risk, either now or from the future consequences. I wonder if it would be possible for a family member to section them, on the grounds that this is extremely abnormal and disturbing behaviour. I would certainly be looking into it, if I was a parent of either of these young women.

I feel very, very sorry for the two women. Clearly something is not right, and they will have to live with the consequences and memories of these episodes forever.

Fair enough to educate women. Women are vulnerable for a reason, whether it's through lack of education, substance abuse, mental illness or previous traumatic experiences. Most women don't put themselves in that situation intentionally.

There's this idea of the perfect rape victim and the perfect perpetrator where it's all really obvious. This situation doesn't exist though. He took her life and that should be enough for anyone to condemn him.

I mean who would do such a thing as to stick his penis into the mouth of an unconscious woman? It's gross and vile.

@UniqueOP yes that makes complete sense.

I think there's something severely abnormal for them to do this. I just can't comprehend that the main girl leading it and doing TV interviews has support of her parents! It could be staged of course but it sounds like they are supporting it and this is just as deranged as she is ffs.
I was very promiscuous growing up. If I could parent that young woman I was, I would absolutely have stepped in and said why are you doing this, you are worth so much more, this is so dangerous and damaging mentally and this is what this does to young women psychologically. No one did do that and that really pisses me off tbh.

I think alot of my frustration here is the fact the young lady goes on TV saying wives are lazy and should be servicing their men appropriately so they don't need sex workers. I fear a large proportion of men will buy into that and apply that mentality!

Between this. Sara Sharif and the French rape
case, it’s been a shocking few months. All three of these cases reach new depths of depravity and sadism. It’s so depressing.

@Onceuponatime9 I’d much rather men be educated not to rape women regardless of what situation they are in. And if they won’t be educated into behaving with humanity, being castrated or otherwise terrified into it is fine.

Men rape their wives, children, mothers, sisters, animals, corpses. They rape sober women, drunk women, sleeping women, walking women. They do not need a free pass.

Women do not need to be educated.

Do you really think men rape women because no one has bothered to mention to them that it's not ok?

@Tittat50 I feel that anger too and for me it comes from feeling like those women are supporting the stereotypes of ‘men can cheat if their wives don’t service their needs at all times’ or ‘sex is only about what a man does to a woman’ or ‘sex is a transactional act for the pleasure of men or women are just holes for men to use’.

How do we change men treating women like wank socks if there are women like these two pick mes saying ‘not all women. We aren’t like other girls’ ?

It’s reckless, reductive and regressive and whilst they might make money for a short time and then fade into obscurity, in the short term more men, especially young men, see these girls as the standard of how women should behave during sexual encounters. Available, compliant, passive and disposable.
By the time these two fools grow up enough to regret their actions, how many women have been harmed by attitudes they empowered.

@steff13 oh that’s ok then. Back to blaming women for getting drunk. Being out after dark. Making bad decisions. Existing.
Much better plan. God forbid we ever forget it will be our fault because we aren’t perfect 24/7 and men just can’t be taught.

So true. I had a friend from about 5 years old, who when we grew up was a controlling manipulative fuckwit with girls. Yet even though they knew it, girl after girl would go out with him...he would give them a time limit to use the loo...needless to say I distanced myself after trying to tell the 3 girl he was wrong

It's horrific when people take advantage but I still say we have a responsibility to remain aware of evil in the world. If we are intentionally drugged that's a whole different case.

What? That doesn’t even make sense and not the point that @Over40Overdating was making

@Over40Overdating yes, you're spot on. I try challenge myself and my thinking so I'm not always defaulting to the women's behaviour as the issue. But, yes, I saw this as enabling, even though they are too stupid to understand or care at this point. Fame and money seems to trump everything, supported by their own mum it seems.

These men were utterly disgusting. There were guys in the video I saw saying ' this is what good girls do ' and then another one would chip in saying ' yeah, you girls are good girls '.

And therein lies the problem. So many guys want this to be the norm , this ' good girl' attitude where you're happy to be half choked getting it rammed down your throat.

Am l naive to hope that someone should be able to fall asleep on a bench, without someone, raping them repeatedly and ending their life.

That poor woman. Just horrific.

And how ironic that the very first post was from a man, here to explain to us that NAMALT.

RIP Natalie.

Oh god, did the young woman in question say that?? That's terrible. We don't need certain men in our society to feel more entitled than they already do!

You probably can, mostly. It was very unfortunate that someone this depraved came along when they did.

Occasionally I've seen someone absolutely fast asleep in public, like on the Tube or at an airport while waiting for a delayed flight. Completely away with the fairies, deeply asleep, snoring and everything. It has occurred to me as I've seen them how totally vulnerable they are. It's just not a good idea to drop off in public, even if somewhere a bit more sheltered like an airport. At best you risk your belongings being stolen. I'm not blaming her at all, I'm just reflecting. The blame lies with the perpetrator 100 percent, but the fact remains that we should all probably try not to sleep in public. I've done it while waiting for a flight, years ago, and now I realise that it's probably not a good idea.

I'm raging. I'm sick and tired of it.

Any other minority group and something would be being done. But the violence against women, legitimised by porn (who would hinder stop a man getting off no matter how violent the content) just goes on and on.