to find this really chilling.. :-( [MNHQ CONTENT WARNING: sexual assault]

[fixingmylife]

I can't believe the number of violence against women from men sickening stories that happening at the moment. This one really chilled me to my very core.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9jkvymvw7o

The French case is utterly horrifying. Before it, I would never have believed that you could get FIFTY men in a small area to come and do something like that. It really is an eye-opener.

Deep down, they must surely know how pathetic, weak, and completely inadequate they are (not to mention monstrous) if they can't get enthusiastic consent from a woman for sex and have to get it this way. Sleeping with someone who's unconscious is the lowest of the low, and I hope they know what it makes them.

‘The worst thing about getting older isn't getting wrinkles or the brain fog or the dodgy pelvic floor, it's the realisation that Germaine Greer was right when she said that 'women have very little idea how much men hate them'.

So true.

I’m lucky enough to have been in some situations that could have turned nasty easily when younger but never did thankfully. As an older woman I realise now there are many many mysogynists out there - inadequate men who watch violent porn and just hate us.

Not enough men intervene or campaign against the Andrew Tates of this world or speak out on the pathetic odds ever of getting your rapist brought to trial. They really need to make their voice heard more.

10 years and 8 months? How is his rehabilitation going to be that sound that a parole board can allow him access to women again? It's not as if he is going to be surrounded by unarmed women in a male prison is he. How is he going to learn that what he did was one of the most heinous of crimes?

Our system of punishment is lax at least. Id be giving someone who beat their pet to death a sentence of death by fire, so you now know I don't favour our judicial system.

It does seem like there's more violence against women now than a few decades go, although I have no statistics. Is it the case? Or is it that we're exposed to SO MANY more news stories about it now, since we have continuous news? Before the internet, it was 30 mins of TV news and the newspapers once a day.

On the other hand, the population is much larger than it was 30-40 years ago, so there are proportionally more bad people. I also think that there are more drugs, more violent films, and obviously hardcore porn available at people's fingertips. This must absolutely have affected people who, in times gone by, could have gone either way. We have had evil people since time began, but perhaps there are more who have been affected by the evils in society that I just mentioned, who might not have gone that way if they'd been born in gentler times.

While I'm the last person who would ever want to go back to more conventional times, I think that probably less family breakdown, more community, more churchgoing etc probably helped society keep a lid on potentially bad characters better, due to social constraints.

Going backwards isn't the answer, though. We need to get rid of drugs and online porn, I'm sure society would be a lot better. Why oh why don't governments ban this extreme stuff?

Increasingly I think that bringing back the death penalty for men like this would be an enormous vote winner. I like to believe in Redemption and rehabilitation but for some I'm not sure it's even possible.

@UniqueOP call me cynical but I imagine people in positions of power benefit in some way from the things they fail to clamp down on. I wonder how many people in positions of power are actually psychopaths, perverts, peadophiles dressed up as ' caring for our best interests'. I wonder how many judges are actually abusive arseholes or worse, how many jurors in respectable jobs actually go home and emotionally abuse their wives. I think the truth is people are hideous and the number and extent of it is so disturbing we just can't comprehend the true scale of it, especially regards men. I now believe Germaine was right and I feel sick to admit it. It's horrifying.

I think it's always been this way but the access to the stories is now 24/7. We hear more about these awful things because of the media now like you say. I can see how the increase in access to things like porn absolutely will breed even more terrifying mindsets as this generation and the next grows.

The amount of true crime stories I've heard where the most disgusting and depraved sexual abuse occurred unchecked in previous generations just fails to shock me now. No one really listened before but now we have to because it's being brought to our attention via access to news and info 24/7 and not swept under the rug as it would have been.

@Tittat50 It's quite possible that the people in power are as you say. Very sobering thought.

You say about porn breeding even more terrifying mindsets, but totally depraved porn has been available at the fingertips for quite some time. How can it possibly get worse??

It's true that some people are hideous. I have no idea of the true number, of course, or what percentage of the population would do heinous things if they could get away with it. The French case is utterly horrifying with the number of men involved.

Nevertheless, I prefer to try to focus my mind on the good people I know, and the people throughout history who have done really good things. It's better for my mental health that way, and although I have known more than my fair share of awful people, I have also known some wonderful people.

Genuine question why do you hope we never have the death penalty for crimes like where he is definitely guilty? You wouldn’t hesitate to kill mice/rats/cockroaches in your house and they are only trying to seek food/shelter not destroy you.

We were told by Labour when we voted all those years ago that a life sentence would mean just that.
They lied to us again.

Now life is 1 year less than a sentence for setting fire to some wheelie bins and shouting hurty words to the Police.

What a fucking state.

Because cold-bloodedly killing anyone is, quite simply, wrong. It would bring us as a society down to beneath the levels of the criminals concerned. I would far rather that they receive a lengthy punishment.

When exactly did Labour say that? And what does it have to do with the current government?

If you object to the sentences given out for life-endangering racially motivated crimes, you need to look at the sentencing guidelines which are the ones set by the last Tory government.

If he isn't rehabilitated and therefore safe, he can't be let out. So he will simply stay in prison.

The message is loud and clear for us women. Men can rape you to death and get a few short years in prison, or often no prison time at all.

Thats if anyone believes you in the first place ‘she’s doing it for money’ ‘she’s doing it for attention’ that’s comments I read in twitter/X or Reddit when women accuse celebrities.

Odd that people think a life sentence with a minimum term of 10 years 8 months is a few short years in prison. Think about being in prison - do you imagine any year feels "short"? As has been explained, this man won't be left out after the minimum term unless he satisfies a parole board that he is no longer a danger to anyone, and even if he is let out he can be recalled at any time for an indefinite period if he commits even a minor offence.

None of it compensates for what he has done, of course, but then what could?

My post was clear.

I never mentioned the current Labour gov, although now you come to mention yes I do object to 9 yrs imprisonment for rioting whilst releasing men to commit rapes and sexual assaults (one on the day of his release).

Each to their own, I guess.

He could be out when he is 45. So yes, pitifully short. But as he was only charged with manslaughter...

Your post wasn’t clear at all, the Conservatives were in power for the last 14 years, long enough to make legislative changes to sentencing, Labour have been in for 5 months.

I think if it's minimum they have to serve the minimum and then apply for parole which isn't guaranteed.

Well seemed clear enough to me.

What bit of me saying Labour lied when they said life would mean life when we voted didn't you understand??
I'm not sure why you are politicising this when that is a fact and it is plain that both parties have let down victims of crime with sentencing.

It was actually you that brought up politics, you didn’t say both parties have let victims of crime down, just Labour, which doesn’t make sense due to the Conservatives were in power for the last 14 years.

@NotAScoobyDoo2 I am so sorry this happened to you. I am absolutely appalled at the police response. I hope that you are able to access some help and support for dealing with all of this.

My point was we were lied to by the gov at the time the death penalty was abolished. Life was meant to mean life not a measly 10 years.

And yet the thing you take offence with is not the sentence but me not mentioning the Tories are shit?! Wtf is wrong with you?

I no longer care for any party. I care for the pathetic way victims have been treated by all govs.

No, your post wasn't clear. You refer to "when we voted for Labour all those years ago". Assuming you mean when you voted for Labour and they won, that still leaves a number of Labour administrations to which you could be referring.

He could be, but that doesn't make ten years in prison go any more quickly.

It's pretty obvious why he was charged with manslaughter. If they had charged him with murder there was a distinct risk he could have been acquitted.

Awareness means not making ourselves vulnerable to evil people including getting drunk & falling asleep on a bench.