To think that if a man has had bottom surgery they should be put in a woman’s prison?

[Bex5490]

Genuinely interested in this and not trying to goad just want to understand.

When people talk of the threat of a man in women’s spaces, I assume the danger is because of their penis.

So if that’s gone then should they be categorised as a woman?

I’m kind of of the opinion that if you’re willing to put that much effort in (as in penis removal) regardless of your chromosomes, I’m happy for you to be called a woman…is this wrong?

So how do we tell the difference between a real trans woman and a trans woman who is only pretending?

No I don’t see that. You see trans people as a threat . This is transphobia. They are not a threat. They are just here and that’s ok.

Rather apt...

However, the thread certainly is about finish which I suspect is the aim for some posters.

What's the word for "all female people, not including any male people" then?

Yes woman. Let’s keep it. And be ok with trans women at the same time. Radical eh?

Because the person was glamorous and talented?

Yet still a male person....

How do you tell the difference? Or do you see all trans people as a threat because they might be pretending?

I'm OK with trans women I just want them to stay out of single sex spaces for females. Because they are male.

That's not unreasonable. It's necessary for the safety and dignity and fairness of female people.

How can you say they are not a threat when trans identifying males have been convicted of raping and sexually assaulting women, raped and sexually assaulted women whilst serving prison sentences in women's prisons, effectively removed almost all single sex rape crisis provision in the UK and taken awards and medals meant for women?

Yes, so men can pick a new one to describe their very abstract "feelings".

I can't tell the difference. Because both are male people who call themselves women.

How do YOU tell the difference?

They're all pretending. It's not possible to do anything other than pretend to become something you are not.

So now being trans is having “very abstract feelings”?

Happy to keep the word "women".

Trans women are not included within this definition though. Because they are male.

All trans people are pretending?

What. Is. It. Then.

????

How do you think we became terfs?

Your meaningless, roundabout burbling won't wash any more. It's over. Find another cause that isn't pushing for men in women's changing rooms.

Obviously. Sex change is biologically impossible.

We don't know. You won't tell us.

Is it so abstract you can't explain?

Objection:

It doesn't matter whether they are pretending or whether they actually believe it.

None of them are actually the opposite sex.

I would say the fundamental difference relies on someone believing or disbelieving in the existence of a gender identity.

Some (like you) believe that it is made up and therefore a trans woman is just a biological male.

Others like @Lostcat and @Cheesytoastie I assume believe it to be a real thing and therefore think that trans women are people born biologically male who’s gender identity does not match this.

I think regardless of your position, you agree that the characteristics used to define a gender identity are based on stereotypes.

And that these stereotypical characteristics shouldn’t be used to categorise anything but some would say that they can’t be ignored as because of our time line of history (as in how the world came to be what it is now) they do exist and to ignore them is to ignore the situation that we currently live in.

I think…

Quite.

Are you pretending? To know what the difference between a man and a transwoman is?

It's ok, we know you can't answer. Because you know there isn't one.

So to confirm- all trans people are pretending. Being trans is a “pretence”?

No one believes these men are really transgender do they? To only be transgender for the duration of your prison sentence is stupid and clearly fake.

So? Don't create loopholes predatory men can take advantage of. It makes zero difference to women what their motivations are. #AcceptanceWithoutException - Amnesty International.