To think that if a man has had bottom surgery they should be put in a woman’s prison?

[Bex5490]

Genuinely interested in this and not trying to goad just want to understand.

When people talk of the threat of a man in women’s spaces, I assume the danger is because of their penis.

So if that’s gone then should they be categorised as a woman?

I’m kind of of the opinion that if you’re willing to put that much effort in (as in penis removal) regardless of your chromosomes, I’m happy for you to be called a woman…is this wrong?

What do you think it is then? Are you ever going to tell us why we're wrong?

It's important to trans people, sure

But they don’t matter, right?

Ah. So if a man looks "glamorous" then it's okay for him to disrespect women's boundaries by entering single sex spaces? Is that the benchmark?

We don't know what it is. Maybe you could tell us?

Ok, you won't tell us what the difference between a man and a transwoman is, and you won't tell us why you wont tell us.

We all know why that is.

You are embarrassing yourself at this point.

what a helpful and mature contribution to the discussion.

This is a direct quote from the study

Crime rate
Transsexual individuals were at increased risk of being convicted for any crime or violent crime after sex reassignment (Table 2); this was, however, only significant in the group who underwent sex reassignment before 1989

It is clearly stated that only transgender women who underwent sex reassignment before 1989 showed a male pattern of criminality. Therefore trans women who transitioned after 1989, which is probably the majority of trans women alive today do not exhibit male pattern criminality.

The study was not corrected, it was always correct, it was clarified by the author because it is so regularly used to assert that tans women display male levels of criminality on the whole. Which is just not true.

Why? Would a less talented /glamorous person be excluded under these rules? Does the glamour / talent make a difference?

Gosh, it's amazing how someone so knowledgeable about what transphobia is can't explain what being trans is,isn't it?

I think holding a belief that is obviously wrong in the face of hard evidence to the contrary can be indicative of a psychological condition. A bit like the abducted by aliens example someone gave above, or believing the earth is flat in 2024.

Maybe @Cheesytoastie can answer for us instead?
What's the difference between a man and a transwoman @Cheesytoastie ?

Please.

You think being a flat-earther is a “psychological condition”?

Oh dear, you're one of those too? That tracks 😂

How do you explain the phenomenon known as "prison onset gender dysphoria" then?

Well believing the earth is flat doesn't indicate a very strong grip on reality, does it?

Anyone? Anyone at all?
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a man and a transwoman?

Is there an answer to.this question?

I don't think that four billion women should be redefined purely because a few male people want to be included.

What does a male person with gender dysphoria have in common with a female person without gender dysphoria?

I think being a trans woman can mean a number of different things depending on the male concerned.

We know for some it is a fetish, we know for some it's a wish they were female and are pretty darned sure that some are neither but just see saying 'I'm trans' as a way to get access to women and girls when we are vulnerable. We can be fairly sure for some males it is a route to sporting success when they have failed in the male category.

Whatever the reason is, these 4 groups of 'trans women' all are male.

A male person doesn't need to be predatory to have an impact on women and girls in single sex spaces, their mere existence in those spaces can make spaces inaccessible for some women. Particularly women who are sexual assault survivors or women of religious minority.

I haven't been given one good reason why women should lose our spaces to accommodate any of these groups. I may have more sympathy with one of those groups than the other 3 but I still don't think that their desire to be women should override the protections to women and girls in terms of safety and dignity and fairness of sporting opportunity should be given over because a groups of males really FEELS like they are women.

purely because a few male people want to be included

“purely because”
”a few male people”
”want to be included”.

Nothing dismissive to see here is there…?
No tell tale signs of what you really think about trans people… ?

Also acknowledging the existence of trans people and recognising they do matter has nothing whatsoever to do with “redefining four billion women”.

I think I'll have to reluctantly conclude that Lostcat et al are perfectly well aware that the answer to:

"What is the difference between a man and a transwoman"

Is that there isn't one. Because if there was, they would have told us, they're so eager to reduce transphobia that they'd have to, wouldn't they. But they haven't, and they won't, because they can't, and they know that.

Looks like elaborate trolling to me 🤷‍♀️

So you are saying it is your position that believing the earth is flat is a “psychological condition? “

Why do those special males (the reasons for which you can't even define) override the safety and dignity of women? And fairness when it comes to sporting opportunities?

Yes it does. Including men in the definition of women means that women as a sex no longer exist. Which causes so many issues.

What's your position Lostcat? Do you have one on anything?

You're asking a lot of questions for someone who can't answer any.