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AIBU to feel completely distressed by the viral video of the aftermath of onlyfans worker Lily P 'sleeping with' 100 men?

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MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/12/2024 09:48

I've tried to word this carefully.

Lily, an onlyfans star, aged 20something I'm guessing, slept with 100 men in one go, as part of a documentary.

Following this, she's on camera crying. She says her eyes hurt as some of the men ejaculated in them, despite her saying no.

My heart is broken for this girl. Im a feminist but I've never thought of sex work as being empowering?

Surely, the empowerment of sex work has failed this poor girl? And surely the 100 men who agreed to do this are criminals???

I'm so angry. You could see in the video that Lily is realising what a mistake this was and is very traumatised.

Anyway, didn't see a thread on this so thought I'd post. My heart goes out to her, and my brain feels very angry at those who failed to protect her.

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MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/12/2024 21:45

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:43

I feel sad that you are defending her.

You must have some serious issues.

I hope you don't have Daughters or Sons.

You're an absolute twat. I won't be responding further.

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NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:46

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:42

And it's me who isn't engaging in the conversation.

Please dont respond. You are abhorrent.

Don't tell me what to do. She needs to stop what she is doing. Why are you defending her ?

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:47

Startinganew32 · 11/12/2024 21:42

Well yeah but I’m not saying that she/LILY shouldn’t be allowed to do it. I’m just saying she doesn’t seem traumatised, she’s making a load of money and she’s intent on carrying on with her gross project. The OP is on about locking her up for her own good which is very patronising and acting like she’s some poor damsel in distress. She doesn’t see herself as a victim, why should we? We’d never give the slightest sympathy to a young man filming himself shagging countless women would we?
Also the thread is about the content creator, ie the woman. I don’t know why you keep going on about the 36,000 followers.

Do you feel like you're making a point?

I have mentioned way, way upthread that trauma can present in very different ways. I wouldn't take any mumsnetters expert opinion on trauma.

I'm going on about the 36000 people because they are all involved in what is happening.

I'm not interested interested the choices of one woman. I'm interested in the reactions of others to that individual. I'm.interested in the ways that "society" (a group of individuals) choose to weave a narrative around one individual.

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:47

MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/12/2024 21:45

You're an absolute twat. I won't be responding further.

Good, but I still hope you haven't got children especially Sons.

JadedVeryJaded · 11/12/2024 21:48

The woman can’t be mentally well. This is self harm on a huge scale. I’m horrified that young people will watch this and try to copy her behaviour. I’d say she needs psychological intervention pdq.

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:49

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:46

Don't tell me what to do. She needs to stop what she is doing. Why are you defending her ?

I haven't commented on Lily.

I'm not defending anything or anyone.

I don't feel like I would like you as a person but all I have wanted is for you to look at the many wider reasons that this may have happened and the role of the 36100 other people.

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:50

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:47

Good, but I still hope you haven't got children especially Sons.

I feel the exact same about you

Who would've thought I could find common ground with such a small minded, spiteful person?

Startinganew32 · 11/12/2024 21:51

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:47

Do you feel like you're making a point?

I have mentioned way, way upthread that trauma can present in very different ways. I wouldn't take any mumsnetters expert opinion on trauma.

I'm going on about the 36000 people because they are all involved in what is happening.

I'm not interested interested the choices of one woman. I'm interested in the reactions of others to that individual. I'm.interested in the ways that "society" (a group of individuals) choose to weave a narrative around one individual.

Are you doing a night-class in sociology or something?

TheSilkWorm · 11/12/2024 21:51

Manch2024 · 11/12/2024 21:23

Why is it legal though? Surely laws should protect society.

Which bit of this do you think should be illegal?

godmum56 · 11/12/2024 21:53

MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/12/2024 21:17

Its called doomscrolling

okay....another thing not to do EVER :)

soupfiend · 11/12/2024 21:54

TheyDidntBurnWitchesTheyBurntWomen · 11/12/2024 21:36

I think the question is why did she choose this? Because we live in a porn addled society that has brainwashed a lot of women into belonging sex work is empowering. A significant proportion of her generation live for likes and subscribers they see those numbers as equivalent to their worth as a person. So believing these things how can she turn around and say that was stupid it was traumatic and sex work isn't positive. She's built her whole self around this and if she back pédalas all she is famous for and values dries up.

She said no cum on her Face. That is sexual assault. It angers me reading so many women victim blaming here. How is saying she asked for this any different to saying a different victim deserves it for the clothes they wore or an abused woman deserves it because she should have left at the first red flag?? Shame on you people.

Yes she made a stupid choice. So do so many women who then pay the price for those choices. But as others are pointing out what of the men? Who are the people committing these crimes, paying for only fans gaslighting women I to thinking it's all good? Majority is men

Theres no victim blaming here because theres no victim

Theres someone who did a days work and didnt enjoy every minute of that work, just like most of us have from time to time

The OP starts a thread expecting people to be shocked and upset for her but doesnt seemt o understand, as you dont also, that not everyone agrees that she is a victim or distressed. So no one is 'blaming' her for anything, what people are saying is that they're not shocked or distressed because its something she chose to do and its her job.

theduchessofspork · 11/12/2024 21:57

I don't know who she is, but I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks sex work is empowering. At the most, it might be the best of a set of bad options.

Anyone who came in her eyes when she said no to that committed a crime yes, but no of course the guys who had sex with her aren't criminals if she consented and is capable of informed consent.

TempestTost · 11/12/2024 21:57

DogandMog · 11/12/2024 10:12

Even ostensibly “consensual” sex can be distressing and upsetting for women, even if it doesn’t have the full payload of PTSD from SA. A woman’s consent is a necessary floor for sexual relations, but it’s a woefully insufficient ceiling to protect women from heartbreak, STD’s, absconding impregnators and a raft of other consequences of sex. We need deontological standards around sexual mores in addition to women’s individual consent. Sex is always assymetrically skewed against women, just by the basic facts that women are the bearers of the next generation, and women are impacted hardest by the physiology and psychology of reproduction.

You're right, but current thinking is this approach shames women who want to be sexual in the same way nasty men can be sexual.

A society can't really have it two ways on questions like this, they have to decide which are less objectionable.

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:57

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:50

I feel the exact same about you

Who would've thought I could find common ground with such a small minded, spiteful person?

I'm not not small minded. I just don't agree with Bonnie and Lily.

Manch2024 · 11/12/2024 21:58

Well, the average age that young people access or view extreme pornography is 11 years old in the UK.

I'm a teacher and most parents think their child isn't but they are, or watching via a friends phone. There are plenty of loopholes and even Facebook, Instagram, daily mail etc are talking about Bonnie Blue etc, having sex with hundreds of men then it's very easy to find extreme pornography, it's normally only a couple of clicks. Some find it out of curiosity, others by accident but it's normally quite traumatic for children and can have life long effects.

Hence, it would be great if it was illey,in order to protect children. It works well in many countries around the world.

theduchessofspork · 11/12/2024 21:58

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:46

Don't tell me what to do. She needs to stop what she is doing. Why are you defending her ?

What's it to you what she's doing?

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 21:59

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You don't have to be kind to anyone.

Try treating a human as a human.

If that doesn't work for you, I'd be very interested in what went wrong in your life.

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 22:00

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 21:57

I'm not not small minded. I just don't agree with Bonnie and Lily.

But reject any conversation about their existence.

Tale as old as time, evil women corrupting the world.

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 22:02

WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 22:00

But reject any conversation about their existence.

Tale as old as time, evil women corrupting the world.

You have lost the plot

HebburnPokemon · 11/12/2024 22:02

Was she crying because she was upset or were her eyes weeping because of their contents?

I haven’t seen the vid.

NewBootsWeather · 11/12/2024 22:04

theduchessofspork · 11/12/2024 21:58

What's it to you what she's doing?

I don't care what she is doing.

Don't do it, then cry about about it, then do it again.

SALaw · 11/12/2024 22:05

Anyone that argues sex work is empowering can absolutely never call themselves a feminist. It is always exploitative, often dangerous and has no place in modern society.

MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/12/2024 22:05

theduchessofspork · 11/12/2024 21:57

I don't know who she is, but I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks sex work is empowering. At the most, it might be the best of a set of bad options.

Anyone who came in her eyes when she said no to that committed a crime yes, but no of course the guys who had sex with her aren't criminals if she consented and is capable of informed consent.

I kind of think that if, as she says she disassociated and can't remember from about halfway through, at that point she may have lost the ability to consent from then on

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WasThatACorner · 11/12/2024 22:06

Startinganew32 · 11/12/2024 21:51

Are you doing a night-class in sociology or something?

Nope, no night classes.

I have a genuine interest and would like to have a conversation. If I'm honest I'm losing interest in a conversation with people like you and am having a much more interesting real world conversation with people who are interested in more that slot shaming or protecting males at all odds.

MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/12/2024 22:06

SALaw · 11/12/2024 22:05

Anyone that argues sex work is empowering can absolutely never call themselves a feminist. It is always exploitative, often dangerous and has no place in modern society.

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