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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 12:27

The OP said in her very post that she is Irish. At no point has anyone questioned that (unless I’ve missed a post).

I absolutely think it is important that Jewish people in Ireland feel supported and that any attack on Jewish people for being Jewish or any hate speech against Jewish people is immediately condemned.

But there have been a lot of misleading posts on this thread that would give a v poor impression of Ireland if they were let lie.

The support in Ireland is for Palestine, for the suffering of the people of Palestine. It is not about being anti-Jewish.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 13:08

*I absolutely think it is important that Jewish people in Ireland feel supported and that any attack on Jewish people for being Jewish or any hate speech against Jewish people is immediately condemned.

But there have been a lot of misleading posts on this thread that would give a v poor impression of Ireland if they were let lie.

The support in Ireland is for Palestine, for the suffering of the people of Palestine. It is not about being anti-Jewish.*

We said @the7Vabo

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 13:26

There's all sorts of nonsense on YouTube that is best ignored.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 13:43

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

YouTube is full of junk and some Irish people are dickheads and extremists.

People are entitled to discuss their individual experiences, what they are not entitled to do is make statements such as “a lot” of Irish people support the IRA.

It has been widely reported in the media that attacks on Jewish people are increasing across the world. It is not something that only happens in Ireland. Ireland is not some racist hellhole.

Jews have been persecuted in many counties in Europe for centuries. But on this thread we have people from those very counties bemoaning that they are upset about how Irish people talk about Jewish people. Yet by the sounds of things what is actually being said is that Irish people have an issue with Israel’s current actions. That cannot be interpreted as anti-Jewish.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 13:44

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

Well the OP who is Jewish said they do not think antisemitism is worse in Ireland than other places.
I would not look to youtube for my news personally.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 13:47

I do not like what Putin is doing in Ukraine but I do not hate all Russian people.

PurpleChrayn · 12/12/2024 14:05

This thread is about antisemitism not anti-irishism.

Rowen32 · 12/12/2024 14:07

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/12/2024 07:41

I agree. I don’t understand why some of the posters on here are so defensive. There are racists and anti semites in every country. I think it’s fine to challenge the claim that support for IRA is in anyway widespread but I don’t think we have to turn this whole thread into a defence of Ireland. Some people on this thread have negative experiences of Ireland. I think they should be allowed to describe their experience as long as they don’t imply their experience is typical of the country as a whole.

Well no, Irish people are taking offense to being called IRA supporters. It's possible to be upset about two things at once and as a PP mentioned there was really no need for OP to bring Irish people/IRA into it at all but she seems to have a vendetta there too

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 14:14

PurpleChrayn · 12/12/2024 14:05

This thread is about antisemitism not anti-irishism.

Wrong as usual

Rowen32 · 12/12/2024 14:23

Greywhippet · 12/12/2024 07:34

Come on mumsnet just delete this thread already!

  • Everyone agrees that the sentiments expressed by the friend that were antisemitic are disgusting and should have been fully called out at the time by anyone who saw them, including the OP
  • There are really offensive generalisations about the Irish including accusations of sympathy with terrorists - this causes significant upset to all those of us that remember the troubles.
  • There are offensive remarks about people protesting the genocide- that OPs friend is ‘an outlier but not that much of an outlier’ - smears all of the people on those marches. OPs friend is very much an outlier
  • It still seems spurious in the least that the OP wouldn’t have called her friend out long ago if the relationship was as stated in the OP. My feeling is that the OP is made up precisely to cause the kind of responses seen on the thread- to sew disharmony

I do doubt how genuine the OP's first post was given their subsequent posts..

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 14:35

freakyfriday23 · 12/12/2024 13:21

I hate it when non Jews make comments like 'I don't think Ireland is anymore antisemetic than anywhere else' playing down/questioning if a jewish person is right to think that antisemitism is particularly bad in a specific place. If you're not jewish how the fuck would you know? Just because you may not socially hang with people who vocalise anti jewish sentiment. Would you equally decline to agree with someone with brown skin if they commented on how bad racism was in their area? Fwiw I love Ireland and the Irish people of which I know and have known many over the years and have not come up against antisemitism. I have sadly though seen a lot of anti jewish stuff on YouTube in Ireland recently which surprised me and it wasn't about israel.

That was what OP said, so I think you’ve gotten a bit mixed up.

It’s a direct quote from OP.

She is Jewish as well as Irish and living in Ireland. So I don’t think you can discount what she says re anti-semitism in Ireland.

Liv999 · 12/12/2024 16:26

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 12:27

The OP said in her very post that she is Irish. At no point has anyone questioned that (unless I’ve missed a post).

I absolutely think it is important that Jewish people in Ireland feel supported and that any attack on Jewish people for being Jewish or any hate speech against Jewish people is immediately condemned.

But there have been a lot of misleading posts on this thread that would give a v poor impression of Ireland if they were let lie.

The support in Ireland is for Palestine, for the suffering of the people of Palestine. It is not about being anti-Jewish.

100%

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/12/2024 18:10

Rowen32 · 12/12/2024 14:07

Well no, Irish people are taking offense to being called IRA supporters. It's possible to be upset about two things at once and as a PP mentioned there was really no need for OP to bring Irish people/IRA into it at all but she seems to have a vendetta there too

It’s a mess of a thread alright.
I think we can all agree that making generalisations about any race or religion is wrong..

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 18:47

Has anyone who reported the thread had a reply from MN?

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 12/12/2024 19:25

HopeMumsnet · 11/12/2024 09:37

Hi all,
We've been through this thread and deleted several personal attacks and an astonishing amount of troll hunting. Please can we remind you that it is against our guidelines to troll hunt as it derails threads and causes strife and bad feeling, upsetting genuine OPs and delighting those who do happen to be trolls.
In future we expect that you will report any posts that concern you, and we take this opportunity to remind everyone that our patience is not endless when it comes to persistent guideline-breaching behaviour.

This was tagged recently but couldn’t find it.? Think it was deleted …no idea

Nevertheless, this is MNHQ response as of yesterday.

If you look back you’ll see

Username2532 · 12/12/2024 19:51

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 18:47

Has anyone who reported the thread had a reply from MN?

Still waiting for a response.

graceinspace999 · 12/12/2024 20:35

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 18:47

Has anyone who reported the thread had a reply from MN?

I reported it. They said they were looking into it.
Nothing since.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 20:37

Yeah I saw that @ForkHandlesNotFourCandles

frecklemcspeckles · 12/12/2024 20:43

@JaneJeffer @Daradarina @AnxiousRose @the7Vabo and others, thank you all for your responses on this thread. As a fellow Irish person (from the North, and yes we can be Irish from the North for those that said we can't 🙄) you're keeping my blood pressure down by answering over and over again. Can't believe some of the comments that stand here. Substitute any other race, religion, creed or nationality for the word Irish in many of these posts and the thread would be long gone. Massively disappointing but unfortunately not surprising.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 20:54

I am weary @frecklemcspeckles

Username2532 · 12/12/2024 21:00

Greywhippet · 11/12/2024 20:42

I’ve also reported this thread (twice) and had responses saying that no guidelines are being broken. And I don’t like being accused of troll hunting either. This is a disingenuous thread and the unsubstantiated slurs about Ireland are ridiculous

Don’t understand, why are MN deleting so many comments, posters have reported this thread all they’re doing is deleting their comments for saying this thread is yes, unsubstantiated, if l elaborate further they will probably delete this!
I’ve also reported.

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 21:14

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 03:52

Is he not right though? Why are the US so afraid to go against Israel?

Are you fucking serious? Also its she.

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 21:15

Christ!

frecklemcspeckles · 12/12/2024 21:38

JaneJeffer · 12/12/2024 20:54

I am weary @frecklemcspeckles

I don't doubt it 😔